Yoshua Bengio

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80,000 Hours Podcast · #243 – 'Godfather of AI' Yoshua Bengio: "I now see a path" to safe superintelligent AI · 7 May 2026 podcast

So let me maybe share some of the words that Marconi presented at the last Davos.

He said, talking about the geopolitics and countries, either you are...

at the table or you are on the menu.

Okay, so he was saying middle powers need to get together to make sure that they will be at the table.

Otherwise, they can easily be eaten alive by the hegemons, as he calls them.

And so that is, I think, interesting because it kind of forces a situation of distributed power if you have a coalition of countries that could have leapfrogged or particular cards like safety in their game so that they can actually negotiate as equals, let's say, at the table.

Yeah, and it would probably be in those domains that the early versions of the scientist AI would be deployed, because that's where there is the most demand for this kind of thing.

and where the trade-off between capability and safety, if there is one, I don't think there really is, but we have to build it, would not hurt too much the commercial viability.

So yeah, they would be natural places.

But I think that as...

agents are deployed more and more in our society, the reliability of those agents is going to become a crucial selling point.

And so there will be more pressure for companies to incorporate these kinds of guardrails that people will trust for scientific reasons.

The more strong people technically help with Law Zero and its Scientist AI program, and the more money we can get to make that go fast, the more likely we get this positive impact that we're after, right?

So there is a real advantage to converting those people

for now, mostly theoretical ideas into something that can impact the world.

And we think we already have a good start, but it'll be much more likely that we end up in a good place fast enough if we have more researchers and research engineers.

And we're particularly interested in people who do care about the mission enough that they want to dedicate themselves to really make it happen

And on the philanthropic side, it's the same thing.

We want people to make a bet because they care about the catastrophic risks and they want to encourage one path that at least has promising theoretical guarantees.

And unfortunately, I don't see many other paths except the cat and mouse approach that is currently followed by the companies.

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