Zac Seidler

It exploded very, very quickly.

And I speak with my friend Jess Hill about this a lot.

The backlash...

that happened as a result of the fact that we did not go, maybe we should talk to young guys about this, about what's happening, about what this cultural movement looks like and how to get them on board.

Instead, we said, we're blowing up the system and we're not going to attempt to build a sense of literacy and agency and support amongst the very people

that were committing many of these crimes.

And I think that that is most importantly moving forward now in order to get towards a sense of equality and away from this sense of grievance, we are going to have to say, we're gonna sit down and look young men in the eye and build a space for them to have these conversations.

The dating data suggests definitely that young men and young women are not dating.

They're not having sex.

They're really not connecting.

And back in the day, young men and young women were watching the same stuff.

We're coming home.

We're turning on the telly.

We're all watching the same Australian Idol.

We go to

school and have a chat about it now you are literally in a silo where you do not have access to the other person's world you do not know what they're viewing you know Meggie drops into the manosphere for a bit that is a very unique experience mostly what people are getting is an echo chamber and

And we talk about this from a political sense, but I think we need to talk about it from a gender sense, which is that you end up with this splintering of worldviews where young women are told a very different narrative to young men and then suggesting that they should have a conversation across from each other at the bar when they speak a different language.

I think that we need to understand that there's great benefit in trying to bridge that language gap, that worldview gap, and realize that there are more similarities than differences.

Yeah, I'm third, so there are four of us.

I have a younger sister.