Zac Seidler

avoiding much of their difficulties, their thoughts and feelings.

They actually don't have access to much of it.

And so with further suppression leads to the bucket overflowing.

That's why when we look at things like male depression, you don't often see it as this internalized sadness and hopelessness and worthlessness that we think of depression to be.

It's often this externalizing, taking things out on the world.

It's risk-taking, it's violence, irritability and frustration with things because they are actually not in touch with what's happening and how they're feeling about things.

I want to express my overarching philosophy here, Richard, which is that these young guys are not to blame for this.

They are coming in with this idea of seeking motivation, entertainment, inspiration, a desire to understand themselves and how they fit into the world.

And we have done that since day dot.

The idea of, you know, the beginnings of YouTube, some of the initial content that I watched as a teenager on E-bombs world, which was crazy stuff, you know, but it was controlled.

It was a controlled environment and there was a way of getting out.

And so I don't think that...

when this has become so normalized for young men, you know, wrapping them on the knuckles and saying, sorry, this is not how you should be behaving.

Why are you seeking this?

It actually undermines their agency.

It undermines their belief of

knowing that this stuff is not good for them in many ways.

And when we sit down with young guys across the board, they tell us, they leave the crap at the door.

They're like, we wanna see the girls, we wanna see the Bugattis, we wanna see all of the crazy stuff that he does.

But my problem is that even if they have that belief and they know that it's not good for them,