Zach Garner
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The Kinross Incident: Did a UFO Abduct an Entire Jet?
That is one of the big questions that we still have is how exactly did all this go down? There is no indication that they tried to communicate with this plane ahead of time.
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The Kinross Incident: Did a UFO Abduct an Entire Jet?
The pilot of that plane did confirm those details in a letter that he wrote to a researcher named Gord Heath back in the early 2000s, I believe. And if we take them at their word that he was the correct person. And that that letter actually came from him. He did confirm those details that he was radioed afterwards. Basically, by the time he made it to Sault Ste.
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The Kinross Incident: Did a UFO Abduct an Entire Jet?
Marie is about when the Air Force radioed and said, hey, did you see a jet? And he said, no, I didn't. I never saw anything. It does seem quite unusual that if they had the ability to radio this thing from the start, why didn't they start with that? Why wouldn't that be their first, you know, the first thing they do, like, hey, you're off course. What's going on?
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The Kinross Incident: Did a UFO Abduct an Entire Jet?
Our best guess with that is that because all of this equipment was so new, the F-89s were relatively new. The radar stations were new. Everything was new. This was all a new thing. They needed training. They needed intercepts.
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The Kinross Incident: Did a UFO Abduct an Entire Jet?
And in fact, in a lot of the quarterly reports that we found, not just for the Calumet Air Force Station, but for a lot of the Air Force stations in the region, they constantly call out the fact that they're not getting enough training. They're not getting enough intercepts in this airspace. So we kind of think that maybe the call was made to send out an interceptor just for a training purpose.
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The Kinross Incident: Did a UFO Abduct an Entire Jet?
And if you look at the actual location where the F89C disappeared, it is well into the Canadian waters. I mean, it is not even close. So... You know, was the C-47 30 miles south of its flight path or was it just south of, was it in U.S. airspace? It certainly doesn't seem like it was in U.S. airspace based on where the F-89 disappeared.
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The Kinross Incident: Did a UFO Abduct an Entire Jet?
So there is definitely some questions there as to, you know, it doesn't, not enough it really adds up.
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The Kinross Incident: Did a UFO Abduct an Entire Jet?
Yes. There was another crash the exact same night of this one.
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The Kinross Incident: Did a UFO Abduct an Entire Jet?
Everyone kind of just speculated that it's possible during that window of time where communication ceased that they may have been handling the intercept completely internally. Or something was going on that was more pressing than them communicating back with the radar station.
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The Kinross Incident: Did a UFO Abduct an Entire Jet?
I will say, we went into this with an open mind. When we started this research, we said, we are not going into this with any bias. If it turns out aliens are real and this was a UFO abduction, so be it. But as we researched more and more, I think, I don't know, I can't speak for Kyle, but I think for myself, I just don't see any evidence.
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The Kinross Incident: Did a UFO Abduct an Entire Jet?
I don't even see a single piece of evidence that this was anything other than an unfortunate accident.
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The Kinross Incident: Did a UFO Abduct an Entire Jet?
So Open Skies Project is kind of more of a concept than anything.
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The Kinross Incident: Did a UFO Abduct an Entire Jet?
This is one of many, many, many Cold War radar stations that was built due to the perceived threat of the Soviet Union. And it's one of the last that still remain in mostly intact and complete condition.
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The Kinross Incident: Did a UFO Abduct an Entire Jet?
We've learned a ton. So this story in particular was one of the things that we kind of discovered during our research. I don't know... if we knew about it beforehand. But at some point in our initial research phase, we realized that the Calumet Air Force Station was the radar station that was in control of the interceptor when it disappeared.
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The Kinross Incident: Did a UFO Abduct an Entire Jet?
And of course, as soon as we figured that out, we're like, OK, we're jumping all the way down this rabbit hole and we're going to learn everything that we can about this incident.
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The Kinross Incident: Did a UFO Abduct an Entire Jet?
We did a lot of research about the radar station, about how intercepts work, about the jets themselves, about procedures and policies. And I think a lot of that stuff has been relatively untapped as far as this incident goes. The dots merging on the radar scope was the expected behavior for when an intercept was occurring.
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The Kinross Incident: Did a UFO Abduct an Entire Jet?
And actually in the new accident report that we acquired that has the unredacted interviews, I want to read the exact statement from the radar operator at that time. I'm going to read just a piece of it. It says, and I quote, he merged perfectly with the bogey just about the time that he faded. So, It says right in there, he merged perfectly with the bogey.
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The Kinross Incident: Did a UFO Abduct an Entire Jet?
So I mean, clearly that is the anticipated behavior of these systems at the time.
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The Kinross Incident: Did a UFO Abduct an Entire Jet?
And what it really comes down to is just a technical thing called range resolution. In our documentation, I believe we found that the range resolution for that radar was half a mile.
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The Kinross Incident: Did a UFO Abduct an Entire Jet?
Yeah, we don't know where the both blips disappeared came from. After we did all our research, we're like, okay, what are the big question marks that are still left? And that was one of them. We're like, can we find a source for this piece of information that says the blips both disappeared from radar? And we've never found anything to substantiate that claim.