Zach Guthrie

And I think it's probably all those great legal minds would have got together and all the people at the AFL and all the people representing Carlton and they would have said, OK, we'll go down this track.

This is what's going to happen.

This is going to drag on for a long time because there'll be legal action.

We'll be in court, all that type of thing.

Or we can go down this track and, OK, you happy with that?

You happy with that?

Would have been a lot of back and forth that went on behind the scenes.

And there's certainly so much... Well, do you really want to know?

But in the ideal world, to then explain it, if there weren't privacy issues, which I think there should be, but if there weren't, then say that these are the reasons why.

We had the test here, blah, blah, blah, blah, which people may have an appetite for, but I think you've got to understand and respect the privacy of the individual.

In this instance, Elijah, 75,000 is not an...

consequential amount of money by the way when you look back this is Gerard's point when you look back over the history of fines there's only been one bigger if you take out Port Adelaide 100,000 yeah for earlier yeah do you do we don't

I think the unanswered question for a lot of people is, okay, well, were drugs and alcohol, were they involved in some way?

We will never know.

We will never know whether or not that is the case.

So I don't know that we need to... When you're dealing with somebody's mental health, I think that there is a confidentiality associated with it.

I don't think we need to know every detail around this.

I think the fact that it was a $75,000 fine would speak to how seriously this has been taken.

I think that's the point.

That was my...