Zach Lloyd

It's actually very hard to build.

It's going to take a bunch of capital to build, to get like people to work on it.

There's a non-obvious business model.

Like the business model that we started with was like collaboration, which makes sense from like my background on Google docs and Figma to some extent, we got lucky that AI came along because that's like a way.

It took us from being a really, really nice user interface product to something that's truly transformative for people's work.

But the general initial thesis was kind of right in that this product sucks and it's used by everyone and something better should exist.

And so I think that was the bet.

And then we'll figure out how to build a great business around that.

And it's turned out, I don't know if AIs can be...

Like I think verdict is out on app layer companies and AI like you're talking about.

But from a like, does this thing really help people do their job better standpoint?

It's like it proved to be right.

And not even a huge user base either, just to be clear.

Like when they did that round, we were in the thousands of wow.

And now we're like, you know, I think we'll hit a million active users, active developers this year.

And now obviously we're growing our revenue super duper fast, but it was like really, really risky.

And I mean, I wonder if Andrew thought it was reflected on.

It was like, what am I doing?

But like, I don't know.

I think it's actually going to work.