Zach

And I think that is the key.

Is...

Satan, the opposite of Jesus, no, he's the opposite of another created being.

And heaven, in the same way, is not the opposite of hell.

One, and this is the whole point of the book, one is a reality that we live into, the other one is a state of mind.

I don't know if that hits you guys at all when you were going through the course.

And that's the way I've always kind of – Well, there's a – yeah, define annihilation because I think that's a big topic right now.

versus is it some place of punishment and then do you eventually annihilate in other words yeah being away from God I think is probably the best yeah like is it a place of is hell eternal conscious torment like you're aware you're awake but it's torment forever and ever and ever or is hell that at the end this is not hell as where we would go now if you were

the reprobate, so to speak.

But like at the end of time, when God comes back and he redeems all the ones that put their faith in him, is hell just that you're annihilated, like you just cease to exist, like you are no longer in existence.

And then the third option is,

would be universalism.

Does God in the end, kind of like Rob Bell's book, Love Wins, or something like that, that God, in the end, everybody, everyone's in, everyone turns to God in the end.

And those are kind of like your three options.

And we've actually debated this in the past on what position did Lewis hold.

And I'm not, I don't think he held the universalist position because, I wish I'd have wrote that down, but there was a part in that where he actually answers that question when they asked the question of,

He says that he would love to do away with the doctrine of hell

but he just can't because of what's in the Bible.

But he very well could have been annihilationist.

I don't know.