Zander Moricz
Appearances
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
This is so, can we just, okay, at least pretend for the conversation so I don't have to check you every second. I won't, I won't. I'm going to have to check you because that's hateful and that's wrong and it's inaccurate. It's not. No, it's not inaccurate. Leah Thomas lost to cisgender athletes the same year that she won.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
There is no inherent biological advantage for trans athletes competing in their sports.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
I don't care about that. They have to go through Karen's standards.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
Well, let me finish this really quickly. It's important to note that there have been thousands of cases of Donald Trump's rhetoric being linked specifically to bullying incidents that have been done by elementary schoolers, middle schoolers, and high schoolers who all said that they felt vindicated in their actions because Donald Trump, the president, told them that it was okay.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
We tried that with conversion therapy.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
There's a higher rate for care for breast augmentation, LASIK eye surgery, knee replacement surgery, hip replacement surgery, and gender affirming care because it's life-saving essential care.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
that affect you every 30 seconds.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
It's not the same thing. Transgenderism are not the same as people with anorexia.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
I don't live, I live a weird lifestyle, not a perverse one. I'm trying to, okay, well. And not because I'm LGBTQ+, because I'm awesome.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
It proves that gender-affirming care and affirming environments reduce the rates of suicide, depression, and anxiety. It skyrocketed in every way. Just quoting it.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
Good to talk to you. My next claim is, healthcare costs and gun violence harm young Americans. LGBTQ plus acceptance does not. I just want to make sure I- Can we agree that our shared value for this debate should be that all young Americans have safe and healthy childhoods?
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
And what we're also seeing is that in communities that have a 10-point increase in support for Donald Trump, There's an 8% increase in bullying. And the reason that this is unique is this has never happened in politics before. It hasn't mattered Republican or Democrat.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
First, I want to state that gun violence has been the leading cause of death for American children for the last four years, and six American children die every single day from gun violence, and four million young Americans are currently uninsured, which makes them 60% more likely to die, while LGBTQ plus acceptance risks no American children's lives.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
That would be insane. That's pedophilia.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
Well, it's defined as pedophilia.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
No, it doesn't at all. Who commits the most acts of pedophilia in the United States of America? I'll give you a hint.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
Well, why is the LGBTQ plus community a political movement?
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
They have the same rights and protections as all Americans, or they should, and we're working to get there. That's not true. Because right now, unfortunately, you're right, it's not. Right now, they don't. Right now, LGBTQ plus Americans have less rights and liberties than the standard American, than heterosexual cisgender Americans.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
There's a variety of things. For example, there's legislation in several states that work to prevent trans women from accessing the bathrooms that relate to their gender identity. There's prevention of LGBTQ plus discussion in education. There's efforts right now from our president to work and roll back rights that have been guaranteed to LGBTQ plus Americans for decades.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
And it's really, really important that we recognize that because right now, LGBTQ plus Americans do not share the same liberties and rights as cisgender heterosexual Americans do. And to pretend that it's not happening is really weird. I would ask you, what rights do you think LGBTQ plus people are asking for that are special rights?
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
It's specifically Donald Trump and Elon Musk working to change the minds of young Americans, and they're doing it for exploitative gain. Exploitive.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
Okay, it's not a Marxist movement. I believe it was installed. It's not a Marxist movement.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
What evidence is there that we're headed towards maps?
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
No one is saying that pedophilia is a legitimate sexual orientation. Okay.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
What extra protections do LGBTQ plus people receive in the United States of America? Do you want anecdotal experiences? I want any evidence that you have.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
The fact that it's even a discussion. You don't have evidence. It's not a discussion. It's a sexual orientation.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
It doesn't deserve to be a civil rights.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
I don't believe it is... What children are being targeted and transitioned?
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
Okay, so how many irreversible gender-affirming care procedures have been done on ages 13 or under in the United States of America?
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
Not all puberty blockers are irreversible. New treatments are coming in every day. So let me break down the stats.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
No one's trying to influence the children, except Donald Trump and Elon Musk.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
Okay, so let's break this down.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
If I thought that 8 to 13-year-olds... Okay, if I thought eight to 13-year-olds would be chemically castrated, that would be horrible. That would be evil. That would be unacceptable. That's not what's happening. Well, no, let's break it down. I would love to break it down for you. No one's advocating for that. Let's break it down.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
So 1% to 3% of the youth population in the United States of America are trans. About 15% of that 1% to 3% receive reversible or partially reversible gender-affirming care. What do you mean by reversible? I'm talking about hormone blockers. I'm talking about hormone replacement therapy. It is reversible. In many cases, so I understand. Some of these things are not fully reversible.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
That's why it's reversible and partially reversible. Some hormone blockers are not fully reversible, but the World Health Organization, the American Medical Association, the American Psychological Association, and the American Psychiatric Association work to set standards and approve that all of these cares are life-saving.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
The LGBTQ plus community is not trying to influence children. They're trying to save children's lives.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
What we see is that the vast majority of people who receive this care never end up regretting its care. Do you know what the regret rate for reversible care is in the United States of America for transgender youth?
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
The rate is 1%. And do you know what the majority of that 1% rate is? It's due to social stigma and hatred, not actual regret of the care.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
That isn't happening at all. You can't. That's not happening. Hormone replacement therapy isn't sterilization.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
That's not what's happening. That's not what we're doing. You don't think we give Lupron to pedophiles? I don't think we're chemically castrating our young American children. All gender-affirming care surgeries have to have a period of time between about one to five years in which these people are receiving treatment. They are working with medical professionals.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
You can't disagree without facts.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
is proven to spread misinformation online and in the media. Blair Wright is- Listen, it's true.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
So what happens to anxiety, depression, and suicide rates after a young trans person goes through gender-affirming care?
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
And then after that- What about 10 years?
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
In 70% of cases, suicidality goes down. No one is advocating for a child to make decisions by themselves. They're working with their parents to receive parental consent, medical supervision, and they're not happening under the age of 13.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
And the majority of doctors in all cases in the United States of America are telling people not to have a lot of these crucial surgeries until they do reach the age of 18. Do you know how many people have had surgery in the United States of America that is gender affirming care under the age of 18 that resulted in any type of surgical transformation of the body?
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
So at what number do we have to get to to show you that this ruined their lives? It ended up saving their lives.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
How many young people have to tell you that this care is saving their lives before you care? It's saving lives every single day.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
I want to break that down because it's a scary concept. If people were actually chemically castrating young Americans, I would also be freaking out. I would also have problems. But when we work with the medical professionals, when we talk to the psychologists, when we work with the families, we see that that is not happening. We see that that's not happening.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
There's so much of a difference. When you go through puberty, so much of your body and chemical changes so drastically that it creates a lot of the negative experience that leads trans young people to kill themselves.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
And that is why the World Health Organization, American Medical Association, American Psychological Association, American Psychiatric Association work to agree that they understand that gender-affirming care is life-saving care for young adults, for children, for anyone who needs it. In some cases, I'm sure it is. And what we're not advocating for.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
It does not sterilize young children. You are just saying things that are scary. No, I'm not. That's not happening. And even people on your side will say that's true.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
So why are we spending so much time talking about life-saving medical care when every single day we're losing young people to lack of medical care and to gun violence?
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
Okay, can you answer that question and then we'll get to yours? Go ahead and restate it. Why are we spending so much time talking about life-saving medical care when we're seeing young people die every single day due to a lack of medical care and due to gun violence in the United States of America?
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
That's a really special statistic. But what's important about noting is that the vast majority of people who drive cars are choosing to drive cars. The vast majority of people who are being shot to death by guns are not choosing to be shot to death by guns. The four million children who do not have access to healthcare are not choosing to not have access to healthcare.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
They are more likely to die, however, because of a system that they were born into. And that's not fair. That's deadly. It's harming young Americans every single day. Life's not fair, so children should get shot in their classrooms and not have the medicine they need?
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
Gun violence in the home leads to more death in that home without burglary. What you're seeing is that gun violence in America goes up because there are more guns in America. There are more assault rifles in America. There are less restrictions that help people who should have guns have guns. And now we're saying, oh, you know what? Everyone have a gun. Let's all have guns.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
There are more guns in the United States of America than there are people. What there are not is people that are receiving chemical frustrations and being sterilized, like other speakers in the circle are saying. Gender-affirming care is medically proven to be life-saving care, and they're working with psychologists, psychiatrists, doctors in all the cases.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
I am saying that you and I, right here, have no idea what is best for a child in Illinois, in Utah, in Florida. Their parents do, they do, their medical professionals do, and the more that we get in the way of their choice-making, we're infringing on parental consent, we're infringing on medical privacy, we're preventing young people from receiving life-saving care.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
To help them make those choices.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
I'm not a member of the Democratic Party. However, I would say that much of the Democratic Party's stance versus the Republican Party's stance makes more sense because it's grounded in evidence that saves young people's lives.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
There are 0.01% of young Americans that are receiving non-reversible gender-affirming care. And in 90% of those cases, that was life-saving. saving care, that is life-saving care. Tragedies happen, medical mistakes happen. Let's talk about society as a whole. Do more people regret their gender-affirming care or do they regret knee surgery, hip replacement, LASIK eye surgery?
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
No one is saying parents should be removed from their children's lives.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
No one's arguing that. If a parent is a direct threat to a young person's life, then that needs to be evaluated, but that's not happening in the conversation that we're having. What do you consider a direct threat? I guess that's the thing. How many trans people are transitioning without the support of their parents? In the vast majority of cases, trans people are supported by their parents.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
In all cases in the United States where surgery was done, Parental consent, medical supervision, and psychological supervision were there.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
Hi. How you doing, man? Yasuo. How does LGBTQ plus acceptance harm more young Americans than gun violence and healthcare costs? So define harm. What does harm mean to you? To me, harm would mean reducing quality of life or ending the life.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
And what we see is that when we support and affirm LGBTQ plus acceptance, depression rates, anxiety rates, and suicidality rates go down significantly. 60%. 60% is the rate of change in suicidality rates when we see LGBTQ plus people being accepted. Suicidality.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
So let's break it down because I understand that this would be horrible and it's very scary and the talking point gets out there a lot and it's very confusing. What's happening is that LGBTQ plus young people experience higher rates of depression, anxiety, and suicidality because of the way they're treated in society. And that's a medical fact that's been studied for years.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
What we see is that when there is more queer and trans representation, more queer and trans discussion, more queer and trans affirmation, that those suicide rates, depression rates, and anxiety rates go down.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
And so if it was innate within the queer and trans identity to be depressed and anxious, the more queer and trans discussion there were, the more queer trans people there were, the more that we would see anxiety, depression, and suicidality. Instead, what we see is that it is only when we accept, affirm, and educate about LGBTQ plus identities
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
that these rates go down because it's not a symptom of being queer and trans. It's a symptom of hatred. It's a symptom of anti-LGBTQ plus policy, which is harming young Americans.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
What do you think about what I just said?
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
LGBTQ plus stands for the fact that, for example, intersex people, they don't have a letter in LGBTQ. Asexual people, they don't have a letter in LGBTQ. See, it's hard to say. I would say queer and trans.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
So there are many people that are born XX that would have what you would describe as male reproductive organs, right? There are many people who are born XY that actually have female reproductive organs because chromosomes themselves don't define biology. Sex is actually a biological characteristic that chromosomes are a part of.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
And we also see that it has to do with hormones and it has to do with sexual organs on the inside and outside of the body. And so it's not a singular thing that can be defined. There are 40 different chromosomal structures. It's not just XX and not XY. There are so many different people that fall within the intersex category.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
And that's why gender-affirming care originally existed was to help these people receive the medical care that they needed. What we're seeing is that it is so essential to help people Be who they are and it saves their lives when you do that.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
LGBTQ plus acceptance does not.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
Okay. What's your disagreement with LGBTQ plus acceptance and how it does not harm young Americans?
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
Okay, well, it is a fundamental truth. What we see is that intersex, queer, and trans people have existed throughout all time, every continent, every single culture and society. The very first civil society, ancient Mesopotamia, had queer and intersex people. What we're seeing is that they existed in ancient China, ancient Egypt. They've existed everywhere throughout all time.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
It's not a matter of... I don't even know what you're saying.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
Well, you just said that they're not real. Well, no, you said that they're not real, and that's enough to draw concern, because it's like, what are you talking about?
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
Boys can't be girls. Trans girls can be girls.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
That's a dub. We'll take it from there.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
Let's take that. That's a dub. People are people. We see each other.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
Teaching hatred harms people. Teaching people not to accept people harms people. Sure. But teaching about LGBTQ plus identities saves lives and reduces anxiety and depression.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
Okay, amazing. So Donald Trump's rhetoric has specifically been linked to bullying cases in elementary, middle, and high school. What we see are also that Donald Trump and Elon Musk are working in tandem to access young people through their phone screens.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
It's heartbreaking. They're happening all the time.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
Trans people don't all get together and commit suicide together and then say, we were trans the whole time. These are people that never came out as trans because of the hatred they experienced. felt that they could never be themselves, killed themselves, and we're seeing this happen all the time, and it's heartbreaking, it's devastating.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
We're seeing an increase in, there is more gender affirmation today than there was. We're seeing an increase of transphobia, and so we're seeing an increase in the rates of anxiety and depression amongst unaffirmed, uncared-for trans individuals.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
When trans people receive gender-affirming care or have access to affirming environments, we see suicide rates go down, anxiety go down, depression go down. Explain that.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
I have. Thank you. My next claim is that anti-LGBTQ plus policies are anti-Christian and anti-American.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
Protecting our children would not be anti-American.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
Donald Trump and Elon Musk worked to reduce Twitter protections, and we saw the firing of staff that worked to specifically set children's guidelines.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
Gun violence and healthcare costs.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
I come from a family that struggled with healthcare access, but had healthcare access for me.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
No, I would make sure they're educated about what guns are, and I would make sure they're accessing this information at an age-appropriate age. That's a false comparison because... Okay, why is that a false comparison?
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
And people in their intrinsic identities aren't murderous. Guns are designed to kill things. LGBT people are designed to exist and live and love and earn money and work and be people. Yes.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
We now see about one quarter of young people that are online are on Twitter, and they're accessing media, because also the algorithm has been changed to make sure that Elon Musk content and far-right content are boosted by about 1,000%, and that's been measured by a variety of studies.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
Yes, we're getting so far away from the claim, though.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
What about queer and trans? I think queer and trans is easier.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
Yes, I love that. All right, so let's keep going. Go team.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
That's a privileged choice, and that's awesome that you're able to make it.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
No, no, no. I made a comparison that clowns are entertainers and drag queens are entertainers.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
We're so far away from the claim.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
No, I'm saying anti-LGBTQ plus policies inherently contradict the fundamental values of Americanism and Christianity. It doesn't. What is the fundamental value of America?
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
And so our young Americans, while they're on their phones without parental supervision, are absorbing rhetoric that psychologists have measured to be damaging not only to their minds, but to their peers' minds. So we've specifically seen hundreds of cases in over 20 states that bullying has increased as a result of Donald Trump and Elon Musk's rhetoric.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
Okay, so I don't find that to be a claim that addressed my claim at all. I would say that the fundamental value of Americanism is freedom, and the fundamental value of Christianity is love, and anti-LGBTQ policies are contradictory to both of those beliefs. But back to your point, because you took us there. The majority of drag queen book hours have never had a reported incident.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
In fact, there's no pattern of reported incident, and there are cherry-picked incidents where bad people did bad things, not because they're drag queens, but because they're bad people. And those incidents occur in less than a percent of places.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
So what I would say is that drag queens have no statistical correlation with pedophilic behavior, with sexual violence, or hold up in the club, or sexually exposing themselves to children. I think clubs are fine. Okay, we're getting so far away.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
Trans people are people. What I am telling you is that if your child is exposed to trans and queer individuals, they are no more likely to decide to become trans or queer. Not true. Nope. It is true. It is statistically proven. It is so true. It is data-driven. It is medically proven. It is psychologically proven. I'll let you believe your lie. Go ahead. No, no, no.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
It's proven by hundreds of thousands of people. And I have no idea why you believe when you're not educated on the subject. Well, no, no. Not in like a you-don't-know-what-you're-talking-about way, but in a you-need-a-medical-professional, you-need-a-psychological-professional to address this care. I don't need one, but you might. No, to address this care.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
What I'm saying is that your child is not endangered by witnessing queer and trans existences. That is not true. It is true.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
It is true. Let me give you an example. I'll give you one.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
It's not a question, but I'm saying anti-LGBTQ plus policies are anti-Christian and anti-American, which would you like to start with? So can you define for me what anti-LGBTQ is? Yes, policies that are against the LGBTQ plus community, hence anti.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
There was an incident and it was heartbreaking where one student was bullied so severely that they attempted suicide because they kept being told, Donald Trump says you need to leave. Donald Trump says you are illegal. And it is a heartbreaking, devastating truth because these young minds are not voters. This has nothing to do with the political campaign.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
Can you give me examples? I would say because I am a Christian and I'm LGBTQ, policies that go against me are anti-Christian. And I would say because they contradict the fundamental values that we were taught as Christians, that they are anti-Christian. So a couple of things. One, we were told to follow the Holy Spirit beyond the text.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
We were told that throughout life, while God's word is perfect and true, man's interpretation and understanding of it is not. For example, slavery, can we agree that's wrong? Interracial marriage, can we agree that's beautiful?
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
Fantastic. Can we agree that we both should be able to eat shellfish and pork?
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
Fantastic. We continue to evolve our understanding when we have new information and perspectives. Jesus Christ incarnated not to tell us, follow the Bible, but to help us understand it better. We once understood eye for an eye. Now we know it's turn cheek for cheek. And we were also told to measure people by their fruits. LGBTQ plus people bring love into the world. They benefit the economy.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
They bring safety into the world. While anti-LGBTQ plus policies are proven to bring more death, more anxiety, and more depression. I'm not saying I don't understand your fear and concern. I'm saying when I rely on the data, the evidence, and the professionals, these policies kill children.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
So what I'm trying to say is that... But you can't say that people are misguiding children by informing them about people that exist when there is no data that that information causes young people to become queer and trans. The rise of young people identifying as queer and trans comes from more affirmation and safety. No one becomes gay.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
It's medically proven and it's been backed by data that you cannot, no matter what you do, turn someone gay. You can't do it.
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It is a biological characteristic.
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Maybe not genetics. It's in the biochemical reality of human existence. It's not something that's taught. It's not something that can be changed in an experience. And that has been proven throughout time.
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It has everything to do with changing the political culture and working to specifically target young people. That's why they're banning books. That's why they're trying to restrict information that our children have access to and trying to give them a broken worldview so that when they continue to idolize Donald Trump and Elon Musk, they won't know the line of when they've gone too far.
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So I am an activist, and I work on political reform in the state of Florida, focused primarily on school boards because they are currently attacking our children and they hold massive political opportunities to actually revolutionize the state, and I'm LGBTQ+.
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Let's do it. Okay, bet. So school boards in the state of Florida and all throughout the country have actually been a listed part of Project 2025, as they stated, because they are politically vulnerable spaces that have low voter turnout, low community awareness, low investment that is disproportionately easy when you take lots of money and invest them into the elections to change the results.
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So a couple of years ago, we saw a massive sweep from candidates from Moms for Liberty and far-right hate groups. We also saw Ron DeSantis become the very first governor in our state's history to endorse these candidates. These candidates pushed anti-LGBTQ. LGBTQ plus policies, which are anti-Christian and anti-American. What have they done? They banned books.
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They banned books throughout the state. They told people they could not use restrooms.
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Okay, we always should warn pornography in our schools. Pornography in our schools would be evil. Erotica in our schools is not acceptable. What we see is age-appropriate leveled reading that discusses topics that some might find uncomfortable in our schools.
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Well, I would say you would find being gay uncomfortable, whereas I would say it's a reality. And I would say that someone should be able to read about it.
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No, being queer isn't inherently sexual. I'm not having sex with you right now because I'm LGBTQ+. I'm sitting at a table having a conversation with you.
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Where does it say that in the Bible?
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Did you know that that was actually mistranslated and had to do with sexual violence, grooming, and ritualistic relationships?
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And that's a huge problem. We should not have the most powerful person in the world who's setting an example for our young people, who most of our young people say they recognize as the most powerful person in the world, sharing hate speech that we see manifest in elementary school classrooms.
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In 1946, for the very first time, a man added the word homosexual to the Bible. That was never a part of God's word or God's choice. God gives perfect word and truth to man who has imperfect ear and an imperfect understanding. Okay, so that was misinterpreted. And so that's how we have things like slavery, which is never in God's vision, is not a part of love, is not a graceful practice.
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No, I'm saying that one mistranslation.
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No, I'm saying that one mistranslation contradicts what Jesus told us is the most important rule. He came to earth and said, do not follow the Bible like a law. Use it as a loving, graceful practice and follow my word.
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These are the laws that I shall give you. And what he told us through John 16, 12 is that I cannot bestow all knowledge upon you now You will learn more, you will experience more, and you will develop. Women have rights now, and even in the New Testament, they were disrespected, belittled, and they were not given these rights. And so what we're seeing is that we as people are imperfect beings.
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And the more that we develop our understanding, educate ourselves, meet new people, and follow the most important law, which is to love one another.
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I have an important point here.
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I am following Christ. So let me make the point.
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Care is an action word. And the reason that one sentence, give me one second.
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Amongst queer and trans people who are affirmed and receive gender-affirming care, suicide rates don't go up. Amongst young people in a failing country with a failing healthcare system that denies them mental care, then we see... No, mental... Health care is the reason suicide rates are going up. There's no access to it in the United States. Gender-affirming care is proven to lower suicide rates.
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90% of teachers surveyed after Donald Trump's first election stated that school climate worsened specifically due to Trump rhetoric and bullying that was directly linked to Donald Trump's name and catchphrases. It's not a coincidence, it's not a parallel, and it's not something that's ever happened before.
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What you said about that one sentence in the Bible that we have to go back to, the reason I believe we shouldn't murder people is because it's in clear alignment with God's greatest rule, love everyone. Hating LGBTQ plus people is in clear contradiction. I can talk to you about that.
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Because of that, hold on, I am continuing to follow the Holy Spirit and learn new things and extend grace, faith, and love to all. And that is how we included more rights for more people throughout history.
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If your house is on fire, I need to tell you to get out. And the truth is, the number one place queer and trans people experience the hatred that causes their suicide, depression, and anxiety rates to increase is actually hateful rhetoric from the Christian church.
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The number one population that is homeless in the state of New York are queer and trans young people who have been disavowed by their Christian families. Jesus Christ would go to those people and help them. Okay, let's pause there.
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I am saying that God always acts in accordance with love and the sodomy that was written about in the Bible has nothing to do with loving queer and trans relationships because there was no frame of reference for the phrases who created it. Man is imperfect. God's word is perfect. God would support queer and trans existence. Do you want to talk about why it's also anti-American?
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I do think it existed 2,000 years ago. And you don't think that God directly addressed it in the Bible? And the way that it was written about in the Bible was about hateful, unconsensual, pedophilic, ritualistic acts of sodomy.
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There have been healthy queer and trans relationships all throughout the history, and they were not included in the Bible the same way women's rights were not included in the Bible. God did not intend us to treat that like a law that we never move on from. He entreated us to use it like a way to learn love and practice it better. It is not an instruction manual.
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It is one tool that we can use to live our lives.
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Yes. Okay. I feel particularly close to God when I have sex with other men.
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I think love is more complicated than that. For example, you can have a sexual relationship with someone that you might not love, whereas love is a deeper emotion of care.
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They're not inherently damaging. It violates natural law. It doesn't violate natural law. There are over 1,000 species that are proven to have queer relationships.
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Let's not pretend to know God's vision then. How about this? Let's not pretend to know God's vision. Let's act with love.
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Because when... Do you... Well, why?
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There's a reason gay men can't reproduce with each other.
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Reproduction is not an essential factor of love and care. It is not the essential factor of a relationship. And the things that you're saying are nasty even. pieces of rhetoric that aren't grounded in science.
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My last claim is politicians banning books is more dangerous than drag queens reading them.
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Hello, hello. Get a little more time this time. Let's do it.
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Yeah. What would you define grooming as?
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It's just more appealing to those kids It's also about the impact a lot of this information is lies and it leads to direct harm for those children and other children around them and it is meant to be done to change their thinking and patterns of behavior and such that Donald Trump and Elon Musk are able to exploit them for power. But right now, we're discussing book bans and drag queens.
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Would you agree that politicians banning books, which has only ever in human history led to authoritarianism, is more dangerous than drag queens reading books, which has proven to have no correlation to sexual violence whatsoever? Well, I guess it's... I think we should admit that a drag queen, which is almost always a man in a fun women's costume... Fun is relative.
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In adult spaces, it is often more sexy. So what we're saying is, I think it's just a hard piece of imagery for people who don't want diverse gender expression to swallow. And so we're like, oh, that's sexual violence. Oh, they're trying to sexualize their children.
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But psychologists and medical doctors have actually evaluated those events because of how many horrible claims that have been made on a baseless, baseless amount of hatred. And what we've found is that there is no sexual violence, there is no sexual perversion, and there is no increase in sexual confusion. That's the most important part.
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Yeah. Grooming also works with terrorist organizations and cults. Yes, yes, yes. So I would say that grooming has a broad definition until you specify.
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Because I can understand someone saying, oh, the drag queen has the best of intention, but now my child is confused. They measured it, they tracked it, they studied it, the child doesn't get confused. The child sees someone in a fun costume, they're like, that is fun, and suddenly, reading, which is very boring for many young children, they're willing to pay attention, they're willing to be there.
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And what we also see is queer and trans children in those spaces are less likely to be depressed and anxious, when they witness someone who is experiencing diverse gender expression in their space. Yes.
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Because it's proven to save lives and we don't see it.
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It's something that happens everywhere. It happens everywhere.
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No, no, no. See, Charlotte's Web was banned because animals were speaking and one parent decided that was witchcraft.
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In many instances, is school boards hire a singular professional who accepts singular complaints and ban any books based off a singular complaint. A school board is elected.
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We do not elect the person they paid to go into our schools, tarp our libraries, remove our books.
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Some people whose favorite color is yellow do it, too.
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I think it should be available at an age-appropriate level. Do I think elementary schoolers need to be reading genderqueer? No.
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Okay, I love that. We're inching there. What I would say is that there has never been a democracy that lasted when it started banning books. Every single civilization that has ever started banning books turned into a fascist regime. And to me, that's very frightening.
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And to me, the justifications of it being rooted in marginalized communities and their identities, the majority of banned books discuss queer, trans, black, and brown identities. That feels to me like a very quick trend towards fascism. And so when that's being perpetuated by someone who's saying, I want to be king, there's going to be a third term for president, I'm like, uh-oh.
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fascist recipe coming together very quickly.
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Right? What are we talking about? George W. did a lot of work just for him to be like, no.
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And how they're worse than drag queens reading books.
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What are school boards? Forms of government. And they're banning books as a part of a national coordinated strategy that was written in Project 2025 as a part of a fascist plan to overtake. The stated intention is overtake the government.
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Yeah, I agree that local governments are banning books and that is bad.
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Why don't we have firefighters or veterans coming? That's a good question. It actually creates safety and new gender experiences for queer and trans children who don't feel safe. And so we've actually found as queer and trans children who do have drag queen story hours, they actually have higher rates of affirmation, less suicide, depression, anxiety, and I think that matters. Okay.
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I've been voted out by the majority.
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That makes lots of sense. And I think what we should teach people about is diverse identities. I don't think we need to be talking about graphic sex with elementary schoolers. On that, we'd entirely agree. I think saying, hey, some gay people exist, make sure you don't spit at them. I think that's a great thing to do because young people are most able to learn that information at the young age.
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Will the LGBTQ activists make it sound like there's a coordinated agenda when in reality there's a bunch of people who want equal rights?
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And so what the psychology and the data shows us is that when they have those discussions, it actually not only benefits queer and trans students, but all students, including straight cis students become safer, more productive members of society. And it actually, and this is my fun, crazy statistic, it actually benefits the economy.
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My first claim is Donald Trump and Elon Musk are grooming more young Americans than the LGBTQ plus community. Can we agree that grooming is bad and should be punished? Um, yeah. Okay, lit.
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And I think that if you don't want to, you definitely shouldn't. I think that it should be an option for parents who do want to. Because what we see is that many parents who are raising queer and trans children, or children that they believe might be questioning their sexuality or gender.
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We're not organized. I promise we're disorganized.
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But people... That's weird. Queer children doesn't mean sexualized children or children who are having sex. It means people who have a queer identity.
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As young as second grade, there are reports of people feeling like they have crushes on people and blowing kisses. And that's fine. That's cute. Because we are all in a society where relationships are disgusting. But queer? Like... But queer just means not straight. It doesn't mean like... Okay. Devil.
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No. Okay. That's a misconception. Okay. So instead of saying LGBTQ+, which everyone in this room said they wouldn't be willing to say, I was like, let's switch it to queer. Queer used to be a long time ago, a horrible word. I thought it was a slur. Exactly. Yeah.
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And then the LGBTQ plus community reclaimed it and basically said, if you are not straight, let queer be an umbrella term that serves you. Because if we do keep Adding letters, no one's gonna say anything, no one's gonna be respectful. So queer encompasses all of the identities and it's you're gay, you're lesbian, you're bisexual, you're trans.
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In terms of just language that encompasses and includes everyone in the LGBTQ plus community. And like I said there, that already doesn't have an I, it doesn't have the A, it's already not fully inclusive. And so instead of continuing to add letters, we say queer and trans.
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We entirely agree that sex and gender are different things. What I am saying is that the LGBTQ plus- That is not what I said. It is what you said. But the LGBTQ plus community is called a community because these are people that have been pushed out of societal norm and persecuted in the same ways by the same people for differences in their innate characteristic of who they are as a human being.
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And because it is so similar in the styles of persecution and because we shouldn't further divide marginalized communities, the queer and trans community are a community. Our struggles are interlinked. Stonewall, the first protest, what is known to start the LGBTQ plus movement- is an interlinked movement of resistance between queer and trans people.
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They are, and they're a community.
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Why is it important for you to distinctualize the two?
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Why is it important for you to make those two communities distinct?
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No, no, I said queer and trans.
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I said queer and trans. Queer is a term that describes difference in sexuality.
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I think they're born trans, yes.
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Well, I'm sure you have things that say that, but it doesn't make it true.
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Donald Trump says stuff that's not true every day.
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So transgender is when your gender is not the same as your birth sex.
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And so when someone says, I'm transgender, then I'm like, okay, so you're transgender.
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They know, and they tell us. And then we see that when we affirm their gender, their lifespan and their quality of life increases.
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an objective measurement that someone is born trans. Correct. When they say that they are born trans, that is deeply important, but also there's differences in the actual brain of trans people that correlates to their gender. Like what? They are more similar to that of their gender than their birth sex.
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Well, it is a factually objective way to measure it.
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I am saying that that is one objective reality of the trans existence. What I am saying is that because All queer and trans people who are transitioning as young people in the United States do so with about three to five medical professionals. I trust that those medical professionals know more about that individual than I do.
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Someone is not just saying, oh, this kid says they're trans, let's go, let's give them hormones. What actually happens is a young person feels a deep amount of distress in who they are based on something they had no control over. They share that with their parents. In the majority of cases, the parent who wants to keep their child alive brings them to a psychologist or a psychiatrist.
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They work with that medical professional for many years. They bring in endocrine specialists, and they work together for years to decide what is the right path of treatment, when, how, and with who.
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Why do the majority of people detransition?
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So puberty anxiety is, oh my gosh, I'm very worried that my characteristics are going to change who I am as a person. Other people are, oh my God, I'm worrying that puberty is going to permanently lock me into a body that is not mine. And I will never be able to prevent the changes that I go through with puberty.
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And so a partially reversible option is puberty blockers that is actually proven to save lives. That's what matters to me is lives saved of young people.
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We'll talk about the Oxford study, talk about the methodology, talk about the people who ran the study, talk about the peer review process.
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No, no, I'm asking you to describe those things to me.
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No, no, I'm saying it's a broken study and you're misquoting it. Okay, give me one study that you think is good. Okay, I would say the study is done by the 270,000 doctors. I don't like that study. Which one? It's the same thing.
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You don't know anything about your study, whereas I know everything about the American Medical Association study, the American Psychological Association study, the American Psychiatric Association study, the American Pediatric Association study, the World Health Organization study, and countless global doctors who have referred and peer-reviewed those studies.
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Your study, I would like you to talk about the methodology, how it was peer-reviewed, and how you're citing it. Because what I do know about your study is not only are you manipulating it, but it's broken in its process.
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That one is literally proven to be false.
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Not all studies are run well. Because some studies can be broken, some studies aren't accurate, and some studies aren't well done. And so I'm not saying I don't like your facts, I'm saying...
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The conversation we're having about the studies you're referencing don't attribute to the greater conversation we're having about LGBTQ plus people because of the ideologies and methodologies and practice of those studies. What I am saying is the largest global medical organizations unanimously agree that queer and transgender affirming care, it is unanimous. That's what makes it special.
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It's not a medical consensus. That's why it's so important. I didn't say medical consensus. I said the majority of health organizations that are the largest in the world and in the country all unanimously agree that queer, it is true.
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You want to believe it because it does. But when it's peer-reviewed, when it's fact-checked, and when people actually look into your studies, they realize that they're false. You would be able to reference more. You'd be able to reference peer-reviewed sources. You'd be able to reference medically established institutions.
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You'd be able to reference things that are respected in the greater medical community. Here's a perfect middle ground for you.
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That's a really good middle ground. That's a really good middle ground. The information there is new.
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No, what I'm saying is I trust the medical professionals who found that information to continue to study it and decide what is the best practice to apply it to life-saving healthcare. If I see medical practices that put young people in harm's way, I would advocate against them.
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It seems scary when you say it like that. Isn't that correct? But yes, sometimes it's life-saving to take a scalpel. cut someone open, go into their heart, remove a part of their heart, zip them back up, that's also life-saving care. Let me ask you this.
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It is not about the physical characteristic of me feeling my fingernails and being like, wow, these are my fingernails. It is having to do with who you are as a human being, your innate human identity, which is gender. Mm-hmm. not aligning with your birth sex. If you go through puberty, the majority of changes... How long do they go on puberty blockers? It depends on the individual.
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I'm going to choose Mike. I feel like we're going to have a productive conversation.
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Okay, what is the point of your claim?
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I know what you're referencing, and that's been debunked and disproven. The box is going to pop up here.
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Who does Christ tell us has the right to judge Christians?
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No. Christ actually tells Christians that they should not judge other Christians and that instead, God is the judge.
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Exactly, exactly. And that if you cast the first stone and if you use the Biblical text or the word of God to tell other people what to do or live their lives, you within yourself are casting sin and sitting within it. And so what we know, what we know, what we know is that God himself is the judge.
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And what we are to do is to hold our relationship with God, let others hold their relationships with God and prevent harm. What I am saying is that LGBTQ plus existences and relationships do not create harm. Murder creates harm. I would say Christians have an obligation to call out and stop murderous policies when they see them.
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because there is not a correlation of harm that would call out the word of Christ, that is what we're seeing there. I am going to have to have a very hard conversation about the fact that the original Biblical text would have destroyed life for millions of good Christian Americans.
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So what we did is we listened to the Bible and we listened to the word of Christ who said, you do not know everything yet, do not treat the Bible like a law, follow the Holy Spirit, be inspired by it and follow it through grace. And because we do so, we learn to bring in new people into the Christian faith, support them, Occlude them. Affirm them.
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Like, if you have people who disagree... There's technically no consensus that comes to everyone.
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The Word of God says we shouldn't do that.
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There is a word in the text from Christ that says, do not treat this like a law. And I haven't told you everything yet. John 16, 12 literally says, you do not have all the information now. I have not burdened you with all of the truth now.
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It also tells people not to judge unharmful practices and to offer grace, to offer faith, to offer love. It also says that if you use the text to tell other people how to live their lives, then that is not Christ-like.
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So do you believe women should have rights?
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Then if we were to follow this lane of thinking, women would not have rights.
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1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)
And now good Christians throughout the world are pushing to include LGBTQ plus people in the name of the Holy Spirit.
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A Christian is someone who acts with love and the word of God. What is love? What is love?
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Love is an action word. Love is showing care for other human beings in a sustainable, true way.
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If that's your definition of love, half of loving relationships in the world wouldn't fit within that. So my definition works way better. No, a man and a wife don't. fit under the role of holding each other exclusively accountable. It's also about care. It's about compassion. It's about grace.
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What I would say is that Donald Trump and Elon Musk use their positions of influence over young Americans to change the way hundreds of thousands of young Americans think and behave throughout elementary, middle, and high schools, which has been documented, studied, and proven to increase bullying and harm, and it infringes on parental consent.
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The way that you're describing, let me clarify this, because when I say it's not happening at all, I mean the way that you describe it, because it's important for people listening and watching not to think that the care that you're describing is happening because, and let's break it down, the care that has been described throughout this episode as chemical frustration, as these attacks on young Americans,
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Originally, marriage as discussed in the original text was not like a loving marriage that we see today. What we see today is a new version of that, because we continue to follow the Holy Spirit to liberation.
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And not for property, which I would say is great.
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And also sometimes literally property. I'm not just like saying that.
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That were in place, not just in Old Testament Israel, but also in- And Jesus said he fulfilled those laws and he added new meaning to them because God's word is perfect, but man's understanding of it is not.
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I think that Christians like you who use the Bible and the word of God to hate others need to reflect on that and become more Christ-like.
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I'm not telling you you need to change your faith. I'm saying that it is my opinion that you are not Christ-like in these actions and behaviors.
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That is you thinking that you know that person's relationship with God better than they do. I trust that their relationship with God showed them who they were. And it is our duty to love and support them as Jesus Christ would. Jesus Christ supported intersex people. Jesus Christ supported sex workers.
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are not happening at all. Am I saying that any young American has ever regretted receiving gender-affirming care? They have. It's heartbreaking, and I want our medical professionals to continue to learn more and do better. But to say what they're doing is happening is a lie, and I won't excuse a lie.
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I would say you're bringing LGBTQ plus people to Christ. Jesus and saying, they're bad. And he would say, it's not they're bad. Mind your business. And he would affirm the love with us. And even beyond that example, I don't think he would tell us to do anything differently because there is nothing harmful being done. I even think in today's worldview, sex work would be respected by Christ.
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They're not inherently damaging. It doesn't violate natural law. Yes, it does. There are over 1,000 species that are proven to have queer relationships.
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I think it's unhealthy to think we're all bad people. I think we all sin. I think we're all God's creation.
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So you brought up measure by the fruit. And I would say that when we view LGBTQ plus people, I'm about to describe it in the context of our conversation. If we measure LGBTQ plus people in their fruit and what they produce for this world and how they contribute and how they show up and how they exemplify, it is positive, it is good, and it adds value to our experience.
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When we think about anti-LGBTQ plus policies, we see harmful. The fruit of the spirit is I think that's up for interpretation. For me, it's what we bring to the world.
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I know, but the Bible also says a variety of things that Jesus Christ tells us to interpret in a more graceful manner. I would say the fruit of the Spirit is how we bring value to this world.
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I would say that self-control applies to eating junk food or drinking alcohol. I would say it applies to lots of things, but not about limiting who you are as a human being.
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Was that nice? Yeah, I think so. I think so. I did a lot of reflection before I decided to come today. I think sometimes when it's platforming negative views that are really harmful, it can just be harmful. But I really thought that this conversation could be productive, and I think in many ways it was.
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I didn't feel surrounded by the enemy. And I think that that's so important. These people didn't hate me. I didn't hate them. We want the same things. We're using different information and that's why it feels like we're in different realities. And so we just have to close the gap.
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I'm a community organizer and my job is to find commonalities that people have and shared goals that we have and successful ways to work towards them so that we can build a better quality of life for ourselves and a better future for the incoming generations. And I think that every single person here today wants that. And I think that there's a broken idea of how we get there.
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Okay, if talking about being trans and being queer made someone who is not trans and queer more likely to be trans and queer, that would result in a lot of harm. But it's not happening. That is happening. It's not happening. Give me evidence. Well, look at California.
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There are more queer and trans people because queer and trans people feel more comfortable coming out and less likely that they're going to receive mass amounts of hatred.
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Because there's more information out there. There's more affirmation out there. No, no, no. Because there's more media representation.
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It is evidenced over the last decade that the more queer people are discussed, the more queer people feel safe. Why are we doing drag queens story hour? Drag queens are fun. Drag queens are fun. Okay, but it's not for children. Why not for children? I would say a drag queen at a story hour is more like a birthday party clown than anything else. They have a fun hangout.
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fun makeup, fun shoes, fun outfit. It's a strip tease. Okay, some drag queens are strip teases. If I ordered a birthday clown and Pennywise showed up to my birthday party and started eating my children alive, I would be like, wait, that's the wrong clown. That's the wrong clown. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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Some drag queens read at bookstores. Some drag queens go do events. Some drag queens go do festivals. There are no reported incidents. Hold on, this is important. Queer people, trans people, and drag queens, none of them, none of them have any correlation to being more likely to commit a sex crime, to be a groomer, or to do anything pedophilic. It's data. It's proven.
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The American Medical Association, American Psychological Association, the World Health Organization have proven that there
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Mardi Gras is just in New Orleans. Have you ever been to a sports party? Yeah, but- What's not called a sports party? What's it called? Like when they meet out and they're like in front of the game. Tailgate.
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That's illegal. The vast majority of pride events.
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Okay, San Francisco is extra gay. But the vast majority of pride events.
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Let's define grooming. We should start by doing that. I would say that grooming is someone with a position of influence over another person attempting to change their thought patterns or behavior to exploit them. Would you agree? Right.
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Shout out WeHo. No. Yes, we do. But the pride dangers that you're describing, people having sex in the streets, that's illegal. That's illegal. And if someone's having sex in the streets at Pride, I think they should go to jail. But what we're seeing is that's not happening in the vast majority of cases. And when it is, it's because these are drunk adults outside.
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And that happens any time there's drunk adults outside. And we need to work to prevent that and make it more safe, more family-friendly. And we should differentiate spaces. There should be adult spaces at nightclubs and family-friendly spaces in parks. And we should all have magical pride. You agree we need men for armies? We need men to be men, right? You agree with that?
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I think we need anyone who wants to serve the American military and is qualified to do so to do so.
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Why do you have to push it on children? There is no medical research, no psychological research, and no data anywhere in the world over any period of history that shows discussing queer and trans identities, putting queer and trans identities on TVs, I'm about to say it, change children's minds or identities.
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Well, car crashes and plane crashes aren't originating from the same source. And this anti-LGBTQ plus rhetoric is originating from the very people who are actually grooming our children. So I would label this as a political distraction.
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What I would say is that Donald Trump and Elon Musk are proven to have been doing that with elementary, middle, and high school children by sending targeted ads to youth demographics, accessing their rhetoric on social media, and what studies have shown, studies of tens of thousands of teachers, reported incidents, school reports, hundreds of disciplinary reports,
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Do you think that Donald Trump and Elon Musk love queer and trans people? Do you think that they use rhetoric that is positive supporting queer and trans people?
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You think Elon Musk and Donald Trump are very liberal?
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What is transgenderism? Because transgenderism is a hateful word that doesn't exist, and we're going to have to unpack that.
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Okay, that's why it's hateful and doesn't exist. Because men are not pretending to be women. Trans women are women.
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Okay, transgenderism isn't real, so I don't know how to debate that.
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Deal. Did you know that they have brains more like their gender?
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How many medical professionals are in the American Medical Association?
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Yeah, I don't really care about credentialism. I don't care about credentialism. You don't care about people being educated, and that's a problem.
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That their gender doesn't master birth sex, period.
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That's not a sexual perversion.
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Agreed. That has weird vibes. So let me just finish.
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No, no, no. What about the fact that he dressed up as a woman?
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So you digress that dressing up as women is not always linked to pedophilia. And what we actually study is that transgenderism is not linked to any sort of any sexual misconduct or violence.
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sent to studies have proven that there's increase in bullying in places where Donald Trump... I think they have a plan.