Zeke Hernandez

Focus on infrastructure policy.

That's the one kind of active area that I would focus on.

But we don't need to do too much in terms of to manipulate what people do, because people will do what they do, which is in their quest for survival and a good life, they will bring good stuff back.

for their neighbors.

The other thing is that we also want to give responsibility for immigration to agencies that frame immigration positively.

And with apologies to our non-US listeners and viewers here, just to give an example from the US, just because it's a country I live in,

Isn't it so telling that in the United States we have put the Department of Homeland Security in charge of our immigration apparatus, the agency that is tasked with protecting you from external threats?

So that itself tells you that we have framed immigration all wrong.

Imagine if we gave responsibility to Department of Commerce, Department of Labor.

These are entities that are tasked with developing policies and rules that are about human prosperity rather than just safety and barriers.

That would be a very different framing than what we have right now.

Yeah, and if I may add just a quick thought to that, I mean, I know I talk economics a lot, but there's another aspect.

Think of security, national security, right?

Everyone wants national security.

Immigration is a great source of national security for a variety of reasons.

One of them is that it creates bilateral relationships and goodwill across countries.

And so countries that share a lot of immigrants and movement of people

are much less likely to go to war with each other because they understand each other better, because from the grassroots, you get just more natural relationships and linkages across places.

The other way in which immigrants make us safer is that they have relatively low crime rates, and so they make individual local communities safer.

And the other thing is that immigrants, because of the innovations they bring, are often the sources of technological improvements that increase security for countries as well.