Zena Keita

And then Draymond following up and being like, I hate that he had to say it, but yeah, that's exactly right.

And it made me think about what you said about Scottie Barnes and this idea of clutch player of the year and how we are already primed for it to be an offensive award, but it should also be considered defensive.

And that like blew my mind.

I love this concept.

of game winning stops do you think that defensive stops like throughout history in general but particularly thinking about this perimeter defense team that you've created it gets enough shine like do we do we put enough emphasis on these stops that change the trajectory of games change the outcome of games change the trajectories of teams even

Whereas the opposite is true, where you can be an above-average or an exceptional scorer, but a decent defender.

What have you just split it?

If you had an offensive clutch player of the year and a defensive clutch player of the year.

Really?

Because he just doesn't want the award.

No award for him.

You think the bigs dominate the conversation?

They do.

They do.

Yes, they do.

This conversation happens in the W as well, by the way.

It's a thing.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.