Zoë Grünewald
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And as much as Labour might want to say they're making progress on the NHS, you simply can't do that without all the other things being in place as well.
It's really hard because you're absolutely right. Elon Musk is setting the news agenda. And part of this is because we have this obsession in the media with personalities. But part of it also is that he has been given legitimacy, A, by being extremely wealthy and putting the idea of a donation to reform out there, but also because he's in Donald Trump's administration now.
It's really hard because you're absolutely right. Elon Musk is setting the news agenda. And part of this is because we have this obsession in the media with personalities. But part of it also is that he has been given legitimacy, A, by being extremely wealthy and putting the idea of a donation to reform out there, but also because he's in Donald Trump's administration now.
So it's really hard for them to keep their messaging on track with policy. I think that there are sort of three ways that Labour hope they can defeat the rising threat, the far right, the influence of Elon Musk, the influence of Donald Trump. There's a really good piece by Ros Taylor in The New European about what Labour internally think they should be doing.
So it's really hard for them to keep their messaging on track with policy. I think that there are sort of three ways that Labour hope they can defeat the rising threat, the far right, the influence of Elon Musk, the influence of Donald Trump. There's a really good piece by Ros Taylor in The New European about what Labour internally think they should be doing.
And it's broadly split into kind of three categories. So you have The people who want to see Labour really hone in on its messaging, refine its messaging, no more doom and gloom, optimism. What will Britain look like? What's the future we're building? Get people excited about, you know, spades in the ground, new towns, new houses, planning reform, that kind of thing.
And it's broadly split into kind of three categories. So you have The people who want to see Labour really hone in on its messaging, refine its messaging, no more doom and gloom, optimism. What will Britain look like? What's the future we're building? Get people excited about, you know, spades in the ground, new towns, new houses, planning reform, that kind of thing.
There's those in Labour who think they just need to deliver. And then there's those in Labour who say, actually, this is all a symptom of long term decline. What we need are deep rooted constitutional changes. So voting reform, electoral reform, abolishing the House of Lords, talking about our relationship with the EU, you know, these much bigger things which Labour aren't.
There's those in Labour who think they just need to deliver. And then there's those in Labour who say, actually, this is all a symptom of long term decline. What we need are deep rooted constitutional changes. So voting reform, electoral reform, abolishing the House of Lords, talking about our relationship with the EU, you know, these much bigger things which Labour aren't.
quite frankly, going to commit to, at least not in their first term or probably even their second term. But there is some argument in Labour about what do we do? Do we just focus on delivery and ignore the noise? Do we actually start to get a grip on messaging above reform? Because reform are very good at diagnosing a problem, talking about discontents, very easy to do when you're in opposition.
quite frankly, going to commit to, at least not in their first term or probably even their second term. But there is some argument in Labour about what do we do? Do we just focus on delivery and ignore the noise? Do we actually start to get a grip on messaging above reform? Because reform are very good at diagnosing a problem, talking about discontents, very easy to do when you're in opposition.
Does Starmer need to take them head on, you know, and say, actually, this is what we're going to do. This is how it's going to improve the country. Or is actually all of this irrelevant if Labour aren't tackling the real deep rooted fundamental problems in this country? So we're going to see lots of that.
Does Starmer need to take them head on, you know, and say, actually, this is what we're going to do. This is how it's going to improve the country. Or is actually all of this irrelevant if Labour aren't tackling the real deep rooted fundamental problems in this country? So we're going to see lots of that.
I think ultimately, Morgan McSweeney, who basically is Kit Summers' chief of staff, runs the Labour Party, he's all about delivery. We'll probably see Labour trying to keep themselves away from the noise and just proceed with those measurable targets like NHS waiting lists.
I think ultimately, Morgan McSweeney, who basically is Kit Summers' chief of staff, runs the Labour Party, he's all about delivery. We'll probably see Labour trying to keep themselves away from the noise and just proceed with those measurable targets like NHS waiting lists.
I think it's very important. It's a very fair point. And I think it tells you a lot about how not just boring average men, but you're right, like repulsive men seem to get so far in politics.
I think it's very important. It's a very fair point. And I think it tells you a lot about how not just boring average men, but you're right, like repulsive men seem to get so far in politics.
I think Jenrick thinks he is doing that. Yeah. I think you're absolutely right. I think Kemmy Bain knocked his toast. There was a great quote in a piece I read about this where a Tory MP had basically said, I think the party needs to get the madness out of its system.
I think Jenrick thinks he is doing that. Yeah. I think you're absolutely right. I think Kemmy Bain knocked his toast. There was a great quote in a piece I read about this where a Tory MP had basically said, I think the party needs to get the madness out of its system.
You know, they need to try shifting to the right to see just how fundamentally it will not work because you can't out-Farage Farage. The last time the Tories suffered a similar loss was in 1997, and it took 13 years and four different leaders to return to power. Now, historical comparisons aren't always useful, but