Zoë Grünewald

Because he had the failures of the previous Tory government, you know, because he oversaw the immigration system that they view as, you know, having failed.

And Suella Braverman is another example of that.

You know, she has a lot to answer for in Reform's view when it comes to the failures of the previous Conservative government.

But I'm sure she thinks she is well deserving of a senior position in a Reform government.

There are lots of people circling Reform UK.

Right.

GB news presenters, you know, commentators who think, hmm, maybe I could have a shot in a reform.

I don't disagree with you.

And I think it actually tells you something about how reform views its own appeal.

You know, this is a party that defines itself, not really on what it's offering in the country.

I mean, I can't really think of what reform's flagship policies are, apart from just being very, very heavily anti-immigration.

But there's no, like, vision of what it wants Britain to be.

This is a party that just defines itself by grievance.

and in opposition to things.

And I think kicking the Conservative Party is a key part of that.

It wants to destroy.

It wants to destroy the Conservative Party.

And so every time it gets figures over from the Conservative Party saying, the Conservative Party is dead, you know, give it a good kicking, that plays into those voters who say, do you know what?

I want to

just, you know, destroy things.