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Zoë Grünewald

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Pod Save the UK
Billionaire BS: How can Britain Stop Musk’s Disinformation?

And actually, the sort of people that are joining reform, their members are old, they're very online. They don't actually go out and leaflet. So in the 2024 election, 34% of reform members delivered party leaflets compared to 47% of Tory members, 50% of Labour members and 59% of Liberal Democrats. They don't organise a round elections in the way that you would want them to.

Pod Save the UK
Billionaire BS: How can Britain Stop Musk’s Disinformation?

And actually, the sort of people that are joining reform, their members are old, they're very online. They don't actually go out and leaflet. So in the 2024 election, 34% of reform members delivered party leaflets compared to 47% of Tory members, 50% of Labour members and 59% of Liberal Democrats. They don't organise a round elections in the way that you would want them to.

Pod Save the UK
Billionaire BS: How can Britain Stop Musk’s Disinformation?

And also, the other thing is, once you have lots of highly engaged ideological members who join a political party, this can actually make the party more out of step with public opinion. So we saw this, you know, during Liz Truss when there were lots of Tory members who wanted her to be a leader.

Pod Save the UK
Billionaire BS: How can Britain Stop Musk’s Disinformation?

And also, the other thing is, once you have lots of highly engaged ideological members who join a political party, this can actually make the party more out of step with public opinion. So we saw this, you know, during Liz Truss when there were lots of Tory members who wanted her to be a leader.

Pod Save the UK
Billionaire BS: How can Britain Stop Musk’s Disinformation?

it actually dragged the party to the right in a way that made it actually less in touch with the electorate. And we know that Reform have had problems before with members saying racist things or anti-Semitic things or Islamophobic things and then needing to be kicked out. So just because they have an explosion of members doesn't mean that's going to help Reform electorally.

Pod Save the UK
Billionaire BS: How can Britain Stop Musk’s Disinformation?

it actually dragged the party to the right in a way that made it actually less in touch with the electorate. And we know that Reform have had problems before with members saying racist things or anti-Semitic things or Islamophobic things and then needing to be kicked out. So just because they have an explosion of members doesn't mean that's going to help Reform electorally.

Pod Save the UK
Billionaire BS: How can Britain Stop Musk’s Disinformation?

Sounds great.

Pod Save the UK
Billionaire BS: How can Britain Stop Musk’s Disinformation?

Sounds great.

Pod Save the UK
Billionaire BS: How can Britain Stop Musk’s Disinformation?

It's crazy. I mean, it was obvious this was going to happen. You know, all these tech bosses going cap in hand to Donald Trump, essentially. They are trying to bend his ear. They see how Elon Musk has played him wrong. And they want a piece of the pie. Donald Trump also threatened Zuckerberg with jail time, essentially, if he moderated posts to do with the 2024 election.

Pod Save the UK
Billionaire BS: How can Britain Stop Musk’s Disinformation?

It's crazy. I mean, it was obvious this was going to happen. You know, all these tech bosses going cap in hand to Donald Trump, essentially. They are trying to bend his ear. They see how Elon Musk has played him wrong. And they want a piece of the pie. Donald Trump also threatened Zuckerberg with jail time, essentially, if he moderated posts to do with the 2024 election.

Pod Save the UK
Billionaire BS: How can Britain Stop Musk’s Disinformation?

And it's going to be extremely messy because Donald Trump's economic policies, I think, eventually will come into conflict with what these tech bros want. You know, they want a very, very globalized system. And Donald Trump wants America to be very isolationist. And eventually these two schools of thought must crash into each other.

Pod Save the UK
Billionaire BS: How can Britain Stop Musk’s Disinformation?

And it's going to be extremely messy because Donald Trump's economic policies, I think, eventually will come into conflict with what these tech bros want. You know, they want a very, very globalized system. And Donald Trump wants America to be very isolationist. And eventually these two schools of thought must crash into each other.

Pod Save the UK
Billionaire BS: How can Britain Stop Musk’s Disinformation?

And electric vehicles is another classic example. Obviously, Musk is very much in favour of electric vehicles. This comes into contrast with a lot of thought in the Republican Party about net zero being this scourge and then the interest of the Rust Belt and all these things. At some point, they're going to clash.

Pod Save the UK
Billionaire BS: How can Britain Stop Musk’s Disinformation?

And electric vehicles is another classic example. Obviously, Musk is very much in favour of electric vehicles. This comes into contrast with a lot of thought in the Republican Party about net zero being this scourge and then the interest of the Rust Belt and all these things. At some point, they're going to clash.

Pod Save the UK
Billionaire BS: How can Britain Stop Musk’s Disinformation?

And Elon Musk, as we can see, is a highly unpredictable character who seems to be extremely high on his own supply at the minute. And the question is, where do all these tech bros go? How do they fall in line when you get that division? You know, if Musk and Trump have a huge fallout, where does Zuckerberg go? What side of the fence would he like to sit on?

Pod Save the UK
Billionaire BS: How can Britain Stop Musk’s Disinformation?

And Elon Musk, as we can see, is a highly unpredictable character who seems to be extremely high on his own supply at the minute. And the question is, where do all these tech bros go? How do they fall in line when you get that division? You know, if Musk and Trump have a huge fallout, where does Zuckerberg go? What side of the fence would he like to sit on?

Pod Save the UK
Billionaire BS: How can Britain Stop Musk’s Disinformation?

And you can bet that if the American election turned out differently and Harris became president, they would totally flip. They would do a 180 and totally flip the other way. That's how self-interested they are.

Pod Save the UK
Billionaire BS: How can Britain Stop Musk’s Disinformation?

And you can bet that if the American election turned out differently and Harris became president, they would totally flip. They would do a 180 and totally flip the other way. That's how self-interested they are.

Pod Save the UK
Billionaire BS: How can Britain Stop Musk’s Disinformation?

As much as it feels ideological, and I'm sure there is a lot of ideology to the selfishness of it, I don't think they are driven in the same way Trump is by his... I think they just follow the money.

Pod Save the UK
Billionaire BS: How can Britain Stop Musk’s Disinformation?

As much as it feels ideological, and I'm sure there is a lot of ideology to the selfishness of it, I don't think they are driven in the same way Trump is by his... I think they just follow the money.