Zoe McKenzie

And I said, yes, but just think about it this way.

What we're trying to do is create a safer market in the same way that we have safe markets for solar panels and safe markets for

home heaters and ovens and safe markets for cars.

It's just trying to ask for a safer market for social media for teenagers because the evidence of damage is just too great.

There's a tipping point at which legislators must act, and we have done that.

And over time, it will get better.

It's probably taking longer.

To be fair, I'm in the opposition.

We would have liked it to have been done better.

We would like it to have been done swifter.

But we understand as the sort of first mover in this space that it will take time.

And again, as I've said, I'll be much happier when we've got bigger markets taking similar reforms because then your Metas and your Googles and others will have to find a way to do it.

And that's exactly the case here.

Like I heard your podcast yesterday or the day before with your education minister equivalent and just the importance of some of these tools as education tools and which side of the line you need to fall.

So YouTube is used across the education system in Australia now.

And so you can't deny access, you know, it's part of the curriculum.

So

What happens now is kids can click on a particular YouTube link and they can go find things.

The only thing they can't do is have an account.

Now, some people have said, well, hold on.