Zoe McKenzie

So we basically say no accounts, but that means if you have an account and you want to show it to your child, you're welcome to do that, particularly if you can be there with them and talk about what they're seeing and that would be an ideal case.

And again, they can go to the platforms themselves and they can go on YouTube, they can probably go on Reddit without an account, again, just to explore, to see what they want to discover there.

And so we thought that was, because so much of the, how to put it,

The deleterious effects are embodied in that algorithmic feed.

That's the dopamine loop.

That's the infinite scrolling.

And we don't have a history of online regulation the way you do.

So obviously you've got the Digital Services Act and the Digital Markets Act in the EU context.

You've got similar things.

You've got much more stringent online safety laws.

There are a history of them than we do.

So Australia's approaching online regulation –

cautiously and methodologically.

We have a real opposition amongst the population to digital identity.

People don't like it.

They don't trust it.

Various efforts to have created an Australia card for identity, things like that, or even health records.

Australians go, no thanks, don't want it.

So we have not had a history of intervention in this space the way you have.

So