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Zoe Schiffer

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
820 total appearances

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Podcast Appearances

Uncanny Valley | WIRED
Trump Pivots On AI Regulation; What Is Hantavirus?; Worker Ousted by DOGE Runs for Office

Pram Bandi is our New York studio engineer.

Uncanny Valley | WIRED
Trump Pivots On AI Regulation; What Is Hantavirus?; Worker Ousted by DOGE Runs for Office

Mark Leda is our San Francisco studio engineer.

Uncanny Valley | WIRED
Trump Pivots On AI Regulation; What Is Hantavirus?; Worker Ousted by DOGE Runs for Office

Kimberly Chua is our senior digital production manager.

Uncanny Valley | WIRED
Trump Pivots On AI Regulation; What Is Hantavirus?; Worker Ousted by DOGE Runs for Office

Kate Osborne is our executive producer.

Uncanny Valley | WIRED
Trump Pivots On AI Regulation; What Is Hantavirus?; Worker Ousted by DOGE Runs for Office

And Katie Drebin is Wired's global editorial director.

Uncanny Valley | WIRED
Musk v. Altman; Is the AI Job Apocalypse Overhyped?; DOJ Dismantles Voting Rights Unit

Welcome to Wired's Uncanny Valley.

Uncanny Valley | WIRED
Musk v. Altman; Is the AI Job Apocalypse Overhyped?; DOJ Dismantles Voting Rights Unit

I'm Zoe Schiffer, Director of Business and Industry.

Uncanny Valley | WIRED
Musk v. Altman; Is the AI Job Apocalypse Overhyped?; DOJ Dismantles Voting Rights Unit

And I'm Leah Feiger, director of politics and science.

Uncanny Valley | WIRED
Musk v. Altman; Is the AI Job Apocalypse Overhyped?; DOJ Dismantles Voting Rights Unit

Today on the show, we're going to a federal courthouse in Oakland, California, to take a look at what has been going down in the Elon Musk versus Sam Altman trial.

Uncanny Valley | WIRED
Musk v. Altman; Is the AI Job Apocalypse Overhyped?; DOJ Dismantles Voting Rights Unit

We're going to get into how the trial goes way beyond the rivalry between these two guys and could have major implications both for open AI, but also for the AI industry at large.

Uncanny Valley | WIRED
Musk v. Altman; Is the AI Job Apocalypse Overhyped?; DOJ Dismantles Voting Rights Unit

Okay, so let's kick things off with the Elon Musk versus Sam Altman trial.

Uncanny Valley | WIRED
Musk v. Altman; Is the AI Job Apocalypse Overhyped?; DOJ Dismantles Voting Rights Unit

So the jury trial kicked off earlier this week, but the legal feud between these two guys dates back to 2024.

Uncanny Valley | WIRED
Musk v. Altman; Is the AI Job Apocalypse Overhyped?; DOJ Dismantles Voting Rights Unit

Back then, Musk sued OpenAI, basically alleging two things.

Uncanny Valley | WIRED
Musk v. Altman; Is the AI Job Apocalypse Overhyped?; DOJ Dismantles Voting Rights Unit

First, he said that the company had strayed from its founding mission to create AI that benefits all of humanity.

Uncanny Valley | WIRED
Musk v. Altman; Is the AI Job Apocalypse Overhyped?; DOJ Dismantles Voting Rights Unit

And second, that he was misled by Sam Altman and OpenAI's president, Greg Brockman, into contributing millions of dollars because he thought he was supporting a nonprofit.

Uncanny Valley | WIRED
Musk v. Altman; Is the AI Job Apocalypse Overhyped?; DOJ Dismantles Voting Rights Unit

As you might have guessed, OpenAI's very weird structure is kind of central to this dispute.

Uncanny Valley | WIRED
Musk v. Altman; Is the AI Job Apocalypse Overhyped?; DOJ Dismantles Voting Rights Unit

While its nonprofit arm controls the company, it created a for-profit arm to raise outside capital, and now it's trying to become a public benefit corporation.

Uncanny Valley | WIRED
Musk v. Altman; Is the AI Job Apocalypse Overhyped?; DOJ Dismantles Voting Rights Unit

OpenAI has denied the allegations.

Uncanny Valley | WIRED
Musk v. Altman; Is the AI Job Apocalypse Overhyped?; DOJ Dismantles Voting Rights Unit

They're saying that Musk just wants to hurt OpenAI because now he has a competitive AI lab, which is XAI.

Uncanny Valley | WIRED
Musk v. Altman; Is the AI Job Apocalypse Overhyped?; DOJ Dismantles Voting Rights Unit

And in fact, the lawsuit was only filed after Musk started XAI, although the feud has been going on basically since Elon Musk left OpenAI years and years ago.