Zoe Schiffer

Another thing that came up on day one of the trial, and this was something Maxwell Zeff wrote about for Wired, was that jury selection was a little bit difficult because people do have such strong priors about both of these men.

Like, they are national, internationally famous.

It's very difficult to find someone who doesn't have a preconceived idea about Elon Musk.

And in fact, there were a couple people who were ultimately picked who did have preconceived ideas, but ultimately were able to say, like, look, I can put this aside and, like, do my civic duty.

We're in the land of the like vintage Tesla bumper stickers.

You cannot find a Tesla in Berkeley, California, in Oakland, California, that just does not have a bumper sticker on it that says, I bought this before Elon went crazy.

They're everywhere.

They're everywhere.

But I also want to touch on where Microsoft is in all of this, because obviously they're named as defendants in the lawsuit.

We're expecting Satya Nadella, the CEO, to testify, but they've been a little bit quiet.

Brian, I'm curious to hear your thoughts on kind of

what we're expecting from Microsoft, why they're kind of letting OpenAI duke this out while they, you know, also have a big financial stake in the outcome of this trial.

I mean, they've got this giant... You don't see Satya Nadella posting on X about it?

Also very Berkeley.

We call that poly.

One thing that's not directly part of this trial, but I still think is really important to name is just Elon Musk has this whole safety component to his argument.

He thinks that OpenAI's founding mission was to create AI that would benefit all of humanity.

He feels like they've gone back on that mission.

They've put profits over people, that kind of thing.

And he's making this argument that it's like growth at all costs.