Zoë Grünewald

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1,028 appearances 5 recordings 1 series first heard Sep 2024 last heard 9 Jul

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Pod Save the UK · Will Starmer’s control freakery deliver victory to Reform? · 29 Jan 2026 podcast

It's Goldilocks.

I think if he can come back with some investment and no ire from Donald Trump, he'll chalk that up as a win.

But what can he actually do?

I think that's true.

I mean, we are deeply economically entangled with China already.

Our supply chains, you know, our clean energy technologies, our consumer goods.

We have this relationship with China.

Whether we like it or not, the question is, how do we use it, right?

And I think because we are feeling very...

unstable because of our relationship with the US and how that has changed because we've distanced ourselves from Europe.

There is this kind of consensus, I think, that we have to be realistic about that.

But you're totally right.

Does that realism come at a cost of ignoring our national security, ignoring the human rights violations that are going on, and ignoring the fact that any relationship we shore up could massively damage another relationship that could then inflict pain on us economically?

So it is very difficult to start with.

So I actually, I've looked into this a bit.

So you're right that it's a copy of this Trump meme.

But this Trump meme was a copy of a TikTok which copied a Werner Herzog film.

He's a documentary filmmaker in the early 2000s.

He had this clip of this penguin walking on the ice.

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