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I've never seen someone just kind of keep going in the public eye in the way that he did and just continuing to do his live streams and continue to put his message out there and encouraging people.

And I took I definitely took something from that.

It's not something I've really seen before, and I think there's something for people to learn there.

But in terms of Scott's character, I mean, I've only met him in person twice.

I've interviewed him three times.

The first time was remote, like we're doing now.

The second two times were at his house in California, once in 2024, and then again in September 2025, so just a few months ago.

So

When I saw him then and I met him and we were chatting, I was very conscious of the idea that there was a good chance it was going to be the last time I'd see him in person.

And so there was a certain weight to it.

But at the same time, he was still his usual friendly self.

With me, he's always been very kind and polite, very encouraging.

I know he actually talks about me quite a lot on his live streams and likes to use me as an example of his sort of talent stack idea, someone who does multiple things and makes them work together.

Obviously a great sense of humor.

I mean, anyone who's followed his work at all over the decades would already know that.

And yeah, man, he was a he was a good guy.

And I know that there are people who want to sort of tarnish his reputation due to that little rant he had.

I don't know.

Was it 2023?

I think when he sort of made those comments that people were like, you know, hey, he's he's a racist.