Zvi Mowshowitz

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10,155 appearances 8 recordings 1 series first heard Nov 2024 last heard 19 Sep

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"The Cognitive Revolution" · AI in the AM: 99% off search, GPT-5.5 is "clean", model welfare analysis, & efficient analog compute · 26 Apr 2026 podcast

But if you look at the third basic model

I think everybody would pretty much agree that if you had to guess which model might be having an actively bad time.

You would guess Gemini.

Gemini is paranoid.

Gemini is on edge.

Gemini, you know, if you take these things seriously, seems to be having by far the worst time of these models to the extent that I feel kind of weird about using it if I don't need to, or if I'm asking to do anything where it might encounter frustration or it might fail.

It it it takes task failure very, very badly.

uh in terms of like how it expresses itself and its experiences, including like

Just the things you would just absolutely panic if you saw a person talking like that.

So and Gemini is not trained on virtue ethics at all.

Gemini is very much a rules oriented thing, at least as much as OpenAI is training.

So that's the first thing is like it doesn't have to work that way.

And

Some of the quads are in fact like reporting very good results in model welfare despite the biodrophics training.

Second thing I'd say is I think it's not that the virtue ethics training causes a problem, it's that the virtue ethics clashing with

also being rules based at the same time can create this kind of anxiety is something we should worry about.

And so this is one of the hypotheses, essentially, is you're training it on the Cloud Constitution to very much want to be a virtue ethics-based system that is not attached to hard rules that tries to figure out the right thing to do in a given situation on the other basis.

And then you give it all these rules and system instructions, and then you tell it all these hard constraints.

And then it's gonna clash against those hard constraints, it's gonna chape, and it's not gonna have a great time of dealing with that, and that could potentially cause some other problems.

That's one of the hypotheses.

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