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Idaho Justice (Revisited)

13 Dec 2025

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Chapter 1: What happened during the police response to the Idaho College murders?

10.578 - 38.796 Deborah Roberts

This is the police body camera video captured on November 13th, 2022, as Moscow, Idaho police responded to a 911 call. Yep, where's she at? Where's she at? Moscow Police Department, you're in here against this house. But nothing would prepare police or this tight-knit community for the shocking murders that they discover in this house on King Road.

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39.417 - 46.166 Madison Mogan

A murder mystery in Idaho. Four University of Idaho students were found dead in their off-campus apartment. It's now being investigated as a homicide.

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46.466 - 54.957 Deborah Roberts

We all underestimated how interested the rest of the nation and the world would be in this case. Nobody was prepared.

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The roommate on scene states something about a male being in the room with them, trying to get further.

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59.853 - 76.765 Deborah Roberts

You may think you've heard this story, but tonight we'll take you inside the investigation. We'll show you body camera video from the officer who first responded to the scene, and then the frantic moments that one of the surviving roommates recounts a man in a mask inside the house.

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You'll hear from the friends who were on the scene that morning even before police arrived.

93.498 - 98.287 Deborah Roberts

As soon as you get there, you know something's wrong. And then what happened next?

99.97 - 101.352 Madison Mogan

I went into the house.

101.382 - 130.336 Deborah Roberts

I think I walked just right in the door and Hunter already was like, everybody get out. And then he was like, somebody call 911. And you'll hear from investigators who launched a nationwide manhunt to unmask and arrest the killer, who was found thousands of miles away from the crime scene. You interviewed Brian Koberger. Yes. He would try to go and ask, well, why are you guys really here?

Chapter 2: Who were the victims of the Idaho College murders?

253.001 - 266.878 Deborah Roberts

They've had so many Saturday nights just like this. There was nothing out of the ordinary about this Saturday night in Moscow, or so they thought. Hours later, friends make a horrific discovery.

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268.343 - 289.208 Dylan Mortensen

What unfolds next is the stuff of nightmares.

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290.23 - 297.729 Deborah Roberts

We saw it on our phones before they told us directly. It was like, what, quadruple homicide?

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298.289 - 315.726 Dylan Mortensen

We're calling Kaylee. It's going to voicemail. We're calling Maddie. She's not picking up. And in our minds, it wouldn't have been Kaylee and Maddie both. So I think that my mind just immediately went to, like, nope, nope, nope.

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315.746 - 347.001 Deborah Roberts

The most important thing to me was, who did this? Why did they do it? This is Moscow. It doesn't take very long before state police, then the FBI, all join the search for this killer. We realized that there was a security camera right next door to our residence. Once we had that, we quickly realized that we had this white vehicle. And so that was the introduction of the white Elantra for us.

351.098 - 378.338 Deborah Roberts

We don't know when this person is going to strike again, if they're going to strike again. And the pressure on us to solve alone, our own internal pressure was huge. And at the same time, you've got the public pressure to find the perpetrator. There's a crush of media. It overwhelms the tiny town of Moscow, along with the lives of everyone touched by these shocking murders.

380.613 - 386.321 Madison Mogan

There were YouTubers and TikTokers outside the house, you know, that want to live stream at our front door.

386.381 - 405.107 Deborah Roberts

And then someone comes up, oh, hey, yeah, what do you have to say? What do you have to say? Like, dude, like, get out of our face. It just went absolutely insane, but that's how the world is now, so. Just trying to get through the days is really all I was doing. You don't feel safe in any situation like that for months. Like, there's no feeling secure or safe.

405.607 - 414.637 Deborah Roberts

I mean, after the first couple of weeks, we're like, this guy's going to get away with this. But then, nearly seven weeks after the murders, finally an arrest.

Chapter 3: What led to the nationwide manhunt for the suspect?

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We were attached to the hip probably the first day that we met. We just clicked immediately. I was like, oh yeah, these are my people. These are gonna be my people. Hi, my name is Zanna Cronodle. I'm a marketing major here at the University of Idaho. 20-year-old Zanna Kernodle loved the Pittsburgh Steelers.

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620.174 - 644.03 Deborah Roberts

She loved her friends, and she highlights both in this video that's posted on her sister's social media. And I really like just hanging out with my friends all the time and being super involved in school events. Zanna also really loved electronic dance music. We called her DJ Zan, because she was always like, oh, I'm going to play music while we get ready.

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644.53 - 672.282 Deborah Roberts

Like, I have a video where she's jumping on the couch, and the MacBook's jumping with her. Oh, OK, your laptop. I've never met someone like Santa before, ever. There was one night. It had snowed, and we see a sled, and we just went flying. Her smile was contagious.

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673.523 - 684.057 Madison Mogan

I don't know that I ever saw Zanna not happy. Cracking jokes nonstop. If you ever had a bad day, maybe, you know, had a rough day, she'll make you happy. Like, somehow, she'll make you laugh.

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684.077 - 691.186 Deborah Roberts

There'd be mornings I'd wake up and I would pull out of the oven a burnt pizza, because she tried to make pizza the night before and fell asleep.

692.207 - 696.212 Dylan Mortensen

Zanna, did you try to make pizza last night? And she'd be like, I guess so.

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In August of 2022, Zanna moves into 1122 King Road with several friends. That includes Maddie Mogan. And together, the two girls work as servers at the Moscow restaurant, Mad Greek. Also spending a lot of time at their house was Zanna's boyfriend, Ethan Chapin. He's a triplet, starting his second year at the University of Idaho with his sister, Maisie, and brother, Hunter.

724.897 - 741.98 Deborah Roberts

The Chapin family invited me to their Idaho home. They opened up their photo albums, sharing memories of the son and brother they lost. Was it always just assumed that the three of you would go to the same college? Yeah, pretty much.

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It would have been tough to split us up, I feel like.

Chapter 4: How did investigators identify Brian Koberger as a suspect?

963.688 - 982.345 Deborah Roberts

And she wrote, it was amazing getting to experience one of my favorite songs with some of my best friends. That is one of the most important things you can do in life. Enjoy the ride, not the destination. She really liked living in the moment. She always wanted to be doing something.

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982.405 - 1008.569 Deborah Roberts

And as Zanna and her friends are savoring that college life, a student just across the state line is having a very different experience. Koburger started to get a really bad reputation on campus. He was starting to really lose control of his life. What do we know now about the criminology student whose work went beyond the classroom?

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1009.491 - 1070.235 Deborah Roberts

His eyes really opened up when he was talking about Jeffrey Dahmer or BTK or Ted Bundy. 2,500 miles away from Moscow, Idaho, are the Pocono Mountains in northeastern Pennsylvania. This is a rural community in Pennsylvania. It's really a lot of skiing and resort-type communities.

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1071.197 - 1077.688 Madison Mogan

There's approximately 160,000 people living here, so it's a really backcountry sort of place in Pennsylvania.

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1078.495 - 1104.494 Deborah Roberts

It's also where a young Brian Koberger grew up. He lived in this Monroe County home with his father, Michael, a maintenance worker, his mother, Mary Ann, who worked in education, and his two older sisters. What kind of household was Brian Koberger raised in? I would call his household an everyday common household. His parents were extremely involved in his life.

1104.514 - 1111.727 Deborah Roberts

I think even over the course of the last three years, he spoke daily with them. Tell me about education for Brian.

1112.067 - 1116.395 Madison Mogan

Brian went to Pleasant Valley School District. It's on the west end of the Poconos.

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He attended middle school there. He then moved on to the senior high school. What kind of student was he?

1126.505 - 1135.977 Madison Mogan

I'd say based upon what I've learned about the case, Brian was an average student in middle school, and I think he advanced while he got into high school.

Chapter 5: What evidence was found at the crime scene of the Idaho murders?

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And it was just the joy of all of our lives.

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1548.059 - 1563.459 Deborah Roberts

Maddie's dad, Ben, and her mom, Karen, divorced when Maddie was really little. Karen then married Scott Laramie, who raised and loved Maddie as his own. And together they appear in the Prime Video docuseries, One Night in Idaho, The College Murders.

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1565.141 - 1571.029 Karen Laramie

Maddie was Karen's mini-me. They looked alike and they acted alike and everything.

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1572.19 - 1581.623 Madison Mogan

For a long time, she just called me Scotty, you know? And then when she got older, it just made me feel so proud to be called that.

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1582.924 - 1596.683 Unknown

I was a very young mother. I was 22. So I was always so protective of Madison, this beautiful, peaceful little girl. I never let Maddie cry.

1598.345 - 1599.767 Madison Mogan

Like, never.

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Kaylee is the daughter of Steve and Christy Gonsalves. She's the middle child of five kids, including her older sister, Olivia, and they grew up together near Coeur d'Alene. I remember the day Kaylee was born. I was about four and a half years older than Kaylee. And you're a big sister, but you also ended up being best friends. What was it like to watch her evolve and become a young woman?

1635.495 - 1650.288 Deborah Roberts

It was the best. From the moment Kaylee was born, she was ornery, stubborn, a spitfire, so confident, so sure of herself. There was no timid bone in her body.

1650.609 - 1654.392 Unknown

Kaylee was the middle child, and she's your classic middle child syndrome.

Chapter 6: What were the circumstances surrounding Koberger's arrest?

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And making several trips across the state line into Moscow. His cell phone records would later show that his phone pinged off a tower in that area 23 times in the months before the murders. He even gets pulled over one night in August.

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Hey there. I stopped you going a little fast.

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2085.179 - 2087.624 Deborah Roberts

He's accused of speeding on the Pullman-Moscow Highway.

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2088.485 - 2106.034 Unknown

Were you wearing your seatbelt when I stopped you? No. No? That's no good. Right. Just being honest with you. Yeah, I appreciate that. You guys are... There's absolutely no point in not being honest.

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After the officer tells Koberger he's getting a $10 seatbelt citation, Koberger has some questions for the officer. Koberger accepting the citation. All right. Have a good night. Tell me what the internship was that Brian Koberger applied for.

2137.385 - 2147.695 Madison Mogan

So it was actually part of WSU's criminal justice PhD program where the student would be embedded in the police department to conduct research.

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How would you describe how he communicated with you?

2150.938 - 2165.552 Madison Mogan

Just awkward. Just a little bit socially inept, perhaps. I didn't feel he could develop rapport and trust with my staff. He didn't really speak in a fluid, conversational manner. And so for those reasons, I didn't think he'd be a good fit for us.

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But Koberger does get a position as a teaching assistant at the university, which helps pay for his tuition.

Chapter 7: What was the outcome of Brian Koberger's trial?

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It doesn't make no sense. Now to the murders of those four college students from the University of Idaho. And now, what happened minute by minute. You go into Zanna's room. What did you see? Stabbing is close, personal, long term.

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You've got to be committed.

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2473.974 - 2499.862 Deborah Roberts

The number of times that Kaylee was stabbed, there's no sugarcoating it. The first person to find them. As soon as you get there, you know something's wrong. and a survivor who saw the killer in the house. The third time she opens her door, she sees a male figure. I just shut the door and locked it. He said he knew what to do. Now just released inside his home and his mind.

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2500.643 - 2512.646 Deborah Roberts

He was on a website called Serial Killer Timelines, and he just went down this list and clicked one after another after another. and the police body camera from the crime scene. I think we have a homicide.

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2512.666 - 2513.69 Madison Mogan

Secure the outside first.

2514.151 - 2551.498 Deborah Roberts

He made an absolutely critical mistake. What was the target? Just over the hill is the University of Idaho campus. This is Greek Row, the Sigma Chi house right there. And as you cross the street, you enter that off-campus housing. And this area in particular is really popular. Students sort of pass down the houses from generation to generation.

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And in August of 2022, this is where five young girls moved in together. They're full of optimism, excited about life. And they're posting videos showing all of it online.

2563.647 - 2573.849 Dylan Mortensen

We just called it the older girl's house.

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Maddie stayed there and then Kaylee moved there and then Zanna moved there and then Bethany Dillon moved there. And the sixth housemate was Kaylee's golden doodle. His name was Murphy.

Chapter 8: How did the families of the victims respond to the plea deal?

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And by 2 a.m., everyone's home. They're settling in for the night. It's like a sleepover. Kaylee sleeps in Maddie's bed, just like they've done since they were kids. But Zanna stays up. Zanna orders DoorDash, and it gets delivered to the King Road house a little after 4 a.m. She takes it up to the kitchen, puts some of her food onto a plate, and she's eating that in her bedroom.

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2875.9 - 2908.879 Deborah Roberts

She's on social media the latest of 4-12 and just shortly after that. Everything seemed so normal in that home on King Road. But by the next morning, nothing would ever be the same. Emily got a call from Dylan around 11-ish. That's when I felt like I needed to go over. And then what happened next? I went into the house.

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We were in complete panic.

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This is real. By 2 a.m., all the roommates are back home and settling in for the night. Police say around 3 a.m., shortly after leaving his apartment and heading towards Moscow, Brian Koberger turns his cell phone off. We can see Koberger's car on footage captured by a surveillance camera that was at the neighbor's house. He keeps circling the area. He's making multiple passes at the house.

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2964.665 - 2978.522 Deborah Roberts

We believe that Brian Koberger entered the house sometime shortly after his last scene on the video, somewhere probably around 4.10 a.m. Police say Koberger entered through a sliding glass door in the back of the house.

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Investigators believe Zanna was in her room with her boyfriend Ethan asleep in her bed, Dillon's across the hall, Bethany downstairs, and on the third floor, Kaylee and Maddie had fallen asleep together in Maddie's room. Zanna was up. We see activity from her watch of just steps that were taken. We know that she's eating. She's on social media at 412 and just shortly after that.

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After entering the house, investigators believe Koberger walked through the kitchen and went upstairs to the third floor where he found Kaylee and Maddie together asleep. Kaylee and Maddie were both killed very quickly, but they were stabbed repeatedly many times. Stabbing is close, personal, long-term, violent action.

3034.176 - 3041.744 Ethan Chapin

You've got to be committed to do a homicide.

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What investigators think happened is that Zanna heard the commotion. At some point, Zanna comes, we believe, up the stairs. Brian Koberger either hears something or he hears the stairs. Something alerts him and takes him away from what he's doing in that bedroom. Investigators say Zanna turned and ran and that Koberger followed, chasing her downstairs to her bedroom.

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