Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
This is Debra Roberts. I'm here with another weekly episode of our latest series from 2020 and ABC Audio, The Hand in the Window. Remember, you can get new episodes early if you follow The Hand in the Window for free on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, or your favorite podcast app. Now, here's the episode.
A few days after Shawn Great was arrested for kidnapping, rape, and murder, Ashland County Prosecutor Chris Tunnell gave a press conference covered by local ABC News affiliate WEWS.
I want to say something very important. Ashland County is a safe place to live. We've not seen crimes of this magnitude in a very long time. There's no reason for people in this county to live in fear.
Grade was behind bars in the Ashland County Jail. This man, who had been living in Ashland for less than two months, had shattered the town's sense of safety. Investigators had begun learning the rough outlines of Grade's life before his killing spree. He said his mother had abandoned him when he was a kid. He'd started getting in trouble with the law at the age of 20.
He'd racked up convictions for burglary, abduction, and brandishing a knife at his ex-girlfriend. He had a son and two daughters with three different women. Throughout his adult life, Great had moved from town to town in rural Ohio. Detective Kim Major had learned that Great was good at charming people. His appearance helped with that.
Sean's own mother is quoted as saying, yes, he's good looking, but the devil's good looking too.
She said that about her son. She did.
Ted Bundy was good looking and charming, and he was able to seduce women because of that.
Yes, he was.
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Chapter 2: What crimes did Shawn Grate commit in Ashland County?
Is there a comparison, a similarity to Sean? Great.
In the manipulation piece of this, the calculating yet opportunistic ways, absolute parallels in that. And the fact that they were both charming or they're both handsome, and to think that he used those things to land himself in these situations is just incredible.
There was the charming Sean Great, who looked good on the outside, and the violent Sean Great, who lurked just beneath the surface. From ABC Audio in 2020, I'm John Quinones, and this is The Hand in the Window. Episode 5, The Other Me. To learn more about these different sides of Sean Great, we spoke with two people who knew him well, not as the murderer Sean Great, but simply as Sean.
Christina Hildreth met Sean Great about a decade before he showed up in Ashland. Christina had just moved from Texas to a small town in Ohio.
And I met him then, and he was just very friendly. And he just had a way that, you know, it made you feel like you were important.
Like many people, Christina was charmed by Great's piercing eyes.
just such a blue, and they just, just the way they looked at you, you know, it made you feel like you were the only one. He wasn't, you know, paying attention to nobody else. It was all about you. It was just blue eyes. You know, they're very, very attractive, very magnifying, very just, he had great eyes.
Christina said Great never asked her out on a date or made plans to meet up. He just sort of showed up at her house when he wanted to, which was fine with her back then.
Sean was very charming and good-looking, and it was just, oh, he's here, okay, great. You know, let's figure out something to do.
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Chapter 3: How did Shawn Grate's past influence his actions?
One night, after they got into a fight, he exploded. He started hitting and choking her in the bedroom. He hit her hand so hard it felt like it broke one of her fingers.
I managed to get up and I'm sitting at the end of the bed and I'm like, look what you did to me. And he's still, he's very, very angry and he walks over and he grabs me and he's got me by the back of the pants and like the back of my hair and he's trying to drag me off to the bathroom. And as he's trying to drag me through the door, I'm trying to fight to stay in the bedroom.
And I'm like sitting there thinking to myself, what, you know, what is he going to do with me in the bathroom?
Christina said she started pleading with Great. If her hand was broken, she couldn't cook, clean, work and support them.
How am I going to do this and pay our bills with my hand like this? And I had to, you know, I had to change the whole thing from this is what you, you know, look what you did to me, you know, on and on to how am I going to take care of us?
Her plea worked. They went to the ER and once Great left the room, Christina said she told the nurse to shut the door.
And I said, he did this. She's like, well, we thought so.
The police were called in to take Christina's statement. An authority said Sean Great ran out of the ER. When Christina left the hospital, she went to stay at her mom's place. Great still didn't have a key to her house, but she was worried he'd find a way in. Once in a while, she'd go back to the house to pick up some of her things.
The house seemed empty, but it felt off, like someone had been there. Christina reported to the police that Sean started to call her and describe everything she had done while she was in the house. As if he was somehow watching her every move. Eventually, Christina said, Gray told her how he was doing this.
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Chapter 4: What was Christina Hildreth's experience with Shawn Grate?
What are you doing here?
It's time to leave. Charebori. Charebori.
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Two days after Sean Great was arrested, Detective Kim Major and Detective Brian Evans went to meet with Great at the Ashland Jail. Major and Evans had both been working the case, but this was the first time that the two longtime colleagues and friends would be talking to Sean Great together.
The detectives were there to show Sean Great the complaint against him, which listed all the charges he faced. But before they did that, Detective Major wanted another chance to interview Great.
I told him there was a solid chance I wouldn't get to talk to him anymore because he's going to be represented by an attorney.
While they settled into the interview room, Detective Evans introduced himself to Sean Great.
Hi, how are you? I never got to meet you.
And then Detective Major asked Great if there was anything else he wanted to get off his chest. He said, there was. What's that? Great paused for a few seconds, then softly, he said he had been thinking about it.
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Chapter 5: How did the relationship between Christina and Shawn evolve?
He's holding that back. That's funny.
Won't give up the weed.
No one gives up the weed, guy. Come on, man. No one gives up the weed, guy.
The detectives leaned into their rapport with Great to get more information from him. At one point, they asked Great to demonstrate how he strangled his victims.
Was it the carotid artery or was it the hyoid? Which way did you strangle someone? Because those things all show up in an autopsy.
At first, Great talked through how he said he typically strangled someone. Let's look at their face and see if I'm getting anywhere. But the detectives wanted a full demonstration on video, which Sean Great said he'd be willing to do. Later in the interview, Major brought it up again.
You want to do our little thing?
Okay.
You okay with that? You still comfortable with this?
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Chapter 6: What led to the violent incident between Christina and Shawn?
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