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5 Live Boxing with Steve Bunce

Wardley v Dubois: Inside the Dubois Camp

06 May 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

0.031 - 3.536 Steve Bunce

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Bluestep Bank, asuntolainapankki useammalle. Ruokatorilta. Ruokatorilta. This is Five Live Boxing.

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52.996 - 55.358 Steve Bunce

So the heavyweight build-up continues in Manchester.

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Chapter 2: How does Daniel Dubois prepare for his upcoming fight?

55.398 - 73.66 Steve Bunce

Yesterday it was an open top bus. Today it's a public workout in a sandpit in the middle of town. Honest, I'm not kidding you. Yesterday we heard from Fabio Wardley. Today we hear from Daniel Dubois and his coach Don Charles. Daniel's on a mission to regain the heavyweight championship of the world.

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73.64 - 101.571 Steve Bunce

it's big fight week in manchester it's a heavyweight week i'm steve bunce and this is five live boxing so sometimes you get sent to interview fighters sometimes you're in a basement like if you go and do scott welsh down and on the south coast it's below sea level and other times you can be on the 38th floor once did nassim hamid and brendan ingle on the 38th floor in new york but what i love about coming out to the countryside

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101.551 - 119.71 Steve Bunce

to Don Charles' retreat is that there are horses and in the background there's Wembley, there's all sorts of other stuff. And today the sun's come out. I've got to tell you, Don, today would be a good day to sit around and talk about horses and talk about life and stuff. But we are supposed, we are going to talk about life. We're going to talk about Daniel Dubois.

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119.73 - 128.62 Don Charles

But first of all, how are you, Don? I'm doing mighty fine. When the weather is like this, I'm good. Puts a smile on your face, doesn't he? Exactly, and everybody's moods. Everybody's in a good mood.

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128.76 - 142.581 Steve Bunce

Don, you're back with Daniel. in a brief period when he wasn't with you, didn't have a fight, but he wasn't with you, and he's back with you. I've got a simple question, really. You know him probably better than any other trainer. How does he look? How is Daniel Daniel?

143.383 - 167.185 Don Charles

Yeah, Daniel, like you quite rightly said, I've got to know the kid really well over the past. This is actually the third year that we've been working together, irrespective of the break that we had. I've got to know, I knew the kid before, and I know him even better now, as time's gone on. Yeah, he's not just a, you might look at someone physically, they look okay.

167.205 - 177.542 Don Charles

So mentally, they're not all right. We spoke about this off camera. Of course, yeah. But I really genuinely believe his head is okay. Because you never know. Afterwards.

177.522 - 203.243 Don Charles

a loss like that to Usyk last summer that's a big loss devastating loss to the fighter to the team but I've done all the with my experience I know all the signs whether someone is alright or not so you can see you can literally tell by the way he walks through the door the way he puts his bag down the way he says hello to the people in the gym there's all sorts of little tells and signs as they say in poker correct if you know somebody which I believe I know him

203.223 - 222.203 Don Charles

And he knows me. And yeah, I can see all the things. It's like business as usual. He's fine. He really is fine. And it helps when you come from, have a family background where people that love you. And I think every boxer will tell you the same thing. You really need that family, the solid family background or friends or whatever it may be. People you can trust.

Chapter 3: What insights does trainer Don Charles share about Dubois' training?

429.697 - 440.724 Steve Bunce

He's meant to lose these fights. According to the audience. According to the audience, yeah. And the experts. He was thrown into... To sink or swim. Correct. And he swam both. He swam brilliantly. Against AJ, he swam brilliantly as well.

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440.744 - 441.567 Don Charles

Correct, correct.

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441.587 - 453.763 Steve Bunce

What a roll. Anyway, listen, you just hold on. Don't go anywhere, Don. I was also caught up with Daniel, and I basically posed the same question to him. It's been a whirlwind couple of years.

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454.203 - 458.789 Daniel Dubois

I started at the right time. My dad got me in the sport at the right time to be here where I am today.

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459.129 - 465.317 Steve Bunce

Because in the 70s and 80s, there would have just been Joe Bognor and Frank Bruno. You'd have no rivals, no Brits to fight.

465.377 - 469.041 Daniel Dubois

I know. It's booming, isn't it? It's crazy. I'm glad it is.

469.021 - 482.247 Steve Bunce

Dan, how are you? Because, you know, I was just talking to Don Charles earlier. We're going through the last three years, you know, starting in Poland with the fight against Usyk, then the two fights in Saudi, then the incredible night with AJ, then last summer.

483.109 - 490.303 Daniel Dubois

Dan, that's a roller coaster by anybody's estimation, man. This must be my prime now.

490.283 - 491.807 Steve Bunce

I'll tell you in your prime.

Chapter 4: What has been the impact of Daniel Dubois' previous losses?

547.705 - 555.119 Steve Bunce

That's like, you know, Lennox had five fights like that sometimes. Not often, but that's a rare five grouping.

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555.439 - 561.129 Daniel Dubois

That's like old school style, isn't it? Like Lennox was fighting... Ray Mercer and all those type of fighters.

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561.149 - 564.835 Steve Bunce

Vander Holyfield, Tyson. And all the top guys. Shannon Briggs.

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564.855 - 566.978 Daniel Dubois

It only makes you a better fighter.

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567.619 - 576.253 Steve Bunce

That was going to be my next question. Having that competition makes you a better fighter. And that's why you feel you're a better fighter now than you were three years ago, four years ago.

576.273 - 582.002 Daniel Dubois

Yeah, definitely. I feel like I need to just get it all right on the night now that I've had that experience.

582.826 - 597.544 Steve Bunce

With Fabio, I don't know how much you've seen and been around Fabio, but he is a guy that's, he came from white collar, so no amateur experience, but he's a guy that's improved with every fight, and you can see the improvement.

598.537 - 616.9 Daniel Dubois

He's beaten everyone they put in front of him. He has proved where he belongs, where he is now. He hasn't fought me yet. I can't wait to get in the ring and take my belt back.

617.2 - 626.649 Steve Bunce

And are you that way since you walked back through the door with Dons after the trial period with Tony Sims? Have you felt that way since you walked back in this gym? I just can't wait to get in the ring.

Chapter 5: How does Dubois view his mental state ahead of the fight?

699.719 - 713.898 Steve Bunce

Without trying to look past Fabio, is there a heavyweight on the scene now or coming through that you'd like to fight? Or maybe fight again? Is there one that you think, you know what, I'd like to fight him or I'd like to fight him again? Is there one?

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715.3 - 724.613 Daniel Dubois

Whoever they put in front of me, whoever my team thinks is best and is the most rewarded, yeah, we'll go for it.

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725.74 - 736.061 Steve Bunce

So this Daniel Dubois here, and you look at peace, you look calm, you look comfortable. You're just waiting for that walk to the ring to look across at Fabio.

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736.221 - 740.61 Daniel Dubois

Yeah, jump in or jump on him straight away from the off.

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740.978 - 754.661 Steve Bunce

Now, before the last fight, Dan, there was a lot made about that gathering at your house before you left for the fight. Some people were calling it a party. Some people were just calling it a gathering. Yeah. Because I haven't spoken to you since that night. What was it?

755.142 - 770.524 Daniel Dubois

We're going to have a bigger party this time. We're going to have a bigger party this time, brother. Don't worry about it. You're going to have a two-night party before you fight. Yeah. We've got an all-week bender. That wasn't a factor in the defeat, was it?

770.564 - 771.947 Steve Bunce

That wasn't why you lost.

772.007 - 793.512 Daniel Dubois

It wasn't why I lost at all. People like talking s***. That wasn't why I lost. I went up and won the greatest fight of this generation. Absolutely. Yeah. I'm glad I've got that experience of sharing the ring with him twice, though. So now I can go in there and really show my pedigree and what I've picked up over the years.

793.912 - 800.798 Steve Bunce

You know what, Dan? It seems to me that you've been around so long, but you're still so young. And you've been in big fights for so long, but you're still so young.

Chapter 6: What changes has Dubois made in his training regimen?

875.069 - 878.714 Daniel Dubois

So it's all, I've got to take care of my business first.

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878.774 - 880.016 Steve Bunce

That's the most important thing for you.

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880.156 - 891.111 Daniel Dubois

But it's exciting to see, just from a fighter standpoint and a bit of a fan standpoint, it's just exciting to see heavyweight matches. In stadiums and packed out arenas. Yeah, yeah.

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891.751 - 895.236 Steve Bunce

That's what you want, eh? The business is booming. My turn next.

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954.785 - 975.212 Steve Bunce

So that was Daniel. You heard from Daniel. You don't have to hear from him. You hear from him all the time. Going into this fight, Fabio Wardley, we know what Wardley is all about. It's all about heart, determination, desire, never, ever write him off, even if there's 10 seconds left on the clock. Is this in some ways the most important fight of Daniel's career?

975.593 - 998.477 Don Charles

Well, every fight is the most important. you know including this one we're going to yeah literally we're at the level Daniel's boxing at campaigning at every fight is a cup final yeah it's it's it's quite daunting isn't it we haven't since I've been working with Daniel there's been no like tune up fight yeah yeah Yeah, they've all been champions.

998.537 - 1001.18 Steve Bunce

You missed out on the early part, you missed out on the easy nights.

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