Do Jillian Segal's claims of ABC-fuelled antisemitism stack up?
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I'm Ruby Jones and you're listening to 7am.
Is the media's reporting on Israel's attacks on Gaza fuelling antisemitism? That's the question facing the Royal Commission into Antisemitism, which has been examining the role of the public broadcasters, the ABC and SBS. Appearing before the commission was Australia's envoy to combat antisemitism, Gillian Siegel, who came out swinging at the broadcaster's Middle East coverage and recommended it be overseen by an independent committee. But do Siegel's claims stack up? Today, former Media Watch host and chair of ABC alumni, Jonathan Holmes, on the submission ABC alumni put to the commission and the role of the public broadcaster in reporting on war.
How did Jillian Segal's claims bring the ABC and SBS into the Royal Commission?
It's Tuesday, July 14. Jonathan, the Royal Commission into Antisemitism, in this most recent block of hearings last week, one of the focuses was on the public broadcasters. So to begin with, can you just tell me how it came about that the ABC and the SBS are part of this Royal Commission?
That's a very good question, Ruby. The hearing block three, as it was called, was largely concentrated on social media for very good reasons. That's where there has been this extraordinary upsurge of anti-Semitism, some of it really vicious and horrible, directed at Jewish people in Australia.
Why did the Royal Commission dedicate a hearing day to public broadcasters?
But one day out of the 10 days was devoted to alleged systemic bias, I think I could say, on the part of public broadcasters, ABC and SBS. And our point of view is that this is a hunt for a solution for something that isn't a problem. We do not accept that the public broadcasters are part of, in any sense, the problem of anti-Semitism. Indeed, they do a great deal to try to increase social cohesion by delivering trusted information. balanced, fair news. And the problem is that a lot of Jewish Australians, at least according to Julian Siegel, special advisor to the Royal Commission, and of course, the appointed Australian special envoy to combat anti-Semitism, she clearly believes and she says that a great many Australian Jews believe the ABC and SBS are biased against Israel.
And that's really where the problem is.
And so when you say our point of view, you were the lead author of the ABC alumni submission to the Royal Commission. So tell me more about the central concern that you wanted to put before the inquiry.
Our central concern, let me make it clear, the ABC alumni is a group of former ABC people. It doesn't have any direct connection with the ABC and we don't speak for the ABC. It's important to understand that.
What is ABC Alumni's central concern in their submission to the commission?
And we didn't consult the ABC in making our submission to the Royal Commission. But we read Gillian Seagward's original report back in July 2025, long before the Bondi massacre, about combating anti-Semitism. And we were alarmed that in several places in that report, she singles out the public broadcasters, ABC and SBS, as being part of the problem. Because she says that in the way that it reports... It exacerbates anti-Semitism by emphasizing stories that are unfavorable and cast Israel in a bad light, and by a process of what she calls conflation, bad news about Israel taken by ordinary people in Australia as a kind of excuse or reason to attack Australian Jews. She was proposing in that report that she, the special envoy, should have a special role
in helping the broadcasters to amend their editorial guidelines and to cover the Middle East conflicts, particularly in a way that would be more favorable to Israel. At least that's the way I understood it. And we thought this was extraordinarily dangerous, that this person who is, after all, the immediate past president, of the Executive Committee of Australian Jewry, which is the leading representative body of Australian Jews, or certainly claims to be, and has been attacking the ABC's perceived bias for decades, for decades, that she should set herself up as a sort of impartial arbiter of what is or isn't fair reporting.
And my contention is that that whole system is not working to assure all of us that the reporting is as per required.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:01–0:54
2
How did Jillian Segal's claims bring the ABC and SBS into the Royal Commission?
0:54–1:36
3
Why did the Royal Commission dedicate a hearing day to public broadcasters?
1:36–3:00
4
What is ABC Alumni's central concern in their submission to the commission?
3:00–4:55
5
What evidence and proposals did Jillian Segal present about media 'conflation' and oversight?
4:55–7:04
6
Would an independent standing committee threaten the ABC's editorial independence?
7:04–9:01
7
Is asking the ABC to 'balance' negative Middle East reporting with positive Israel stories reasonable?
9:01–11:44
8
How precarious is the ABC's position amid political pressure and broad criticism?
11:44–16:44
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