#246 – Sneha Revanur on how a small team of activists helped pass America's landmark AI safety laws
episodePreviously titled “How a small team of activists helped pass America's landmark AI safety laws | Sneha Revanur, Encode AI” — renamed by the publisher on Aug 4, 2026
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Looking ahead to 2028, it's no doubt that this like very well could be the most important presidential election year in history. Whether or not AI timelines are shorter or longer, like there's a whole range of outcomes where this could either be the person who will be in charge of the intelligence explosion, or, you know, in any case, this will be a person who is making some very major world historic decisions about AI. And like, what will it mean to empower this person with super intelligence potentially? And who would we trust to hold the keys in that moment?
Today I'm speaking with Sneha Ravenor, who pretty remarkably founded a US nonprofit at age only 15. So this nonprofit ENCODE, it's focused on AI advocacy and it's done a lot of exciting things like helping to pass landmark AI safety laws in California and New York, successfully fighting against federal preemption and helping to criminalize the sharing of deep fake pornography. Now, Sneha's been doing this for about six years now, so I'm just excited to get to talk to her about what she's learned from trying to influence AI policy from the outside through advocacy and through lobbying. Sneha, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you for having me. So when you founded ENCODE, it was focused on immediate societal harms from AI, things like criminal justice, for example.
But nowadays, you're particularly concerned about existential scale risks from future, more advanced AI systems. Can you talk us through how that happened?
Yeah, I love telling the story. I feel like it's a bit of an outlier in AI safety circles. I didn't grow up reading sci-fi. It took me a really long time to like feel in my bones. This was like the most important century. You know, I had all the hallmarks of a Bay Area teenage driver who just wanted to like spend all that time prestige farming or whatever. If you were tracking the trend lines in deep learning, then you would have seen it coming once we had transformers and learned the bitter lesson that it was only a matter of time before we had much more powerful AI, but that wasn't me yet. In 2020, I do think that I had one pretty good general instinct, though, which was that I thought that AI was still very underpriced politically.
I thought that it would eventually be a top voting issue, and As a result, we needed a massive investment in politics and advocacy around AI. And I think the basic story that I had in mind was that society would, over time, start to delegate more and more authority to AI. Criminal justice was a motivating example for me here. and kind of like gradually hand over the keys in scary and far-reaching ways. At the time, I would have told you that the main risk from this was that AI wouldn't be good enough, right? That humans would systematically overestimate AI capabilities and systematically defer to biased or otherwise unreliable systems for the sake of efficiency or whatever. And now what freaks me out more is that society is greatly underestimating and underpreparing for AI capabilities.
So what gives? Honestly, it wasn't a specific argument that changed my mind. In fact, I had friends who approached me and tried to reason with me because they knew that I was doing AI advocacy and that did not really do much to break down my cognitive walls at first. Honestly, it was just like ChatGPT being released my freshman year of college.
How did Sneha Revanur discover and shift toward worrying about catastrophic AI risk?
It has been very interesting to form... my core views on the world with the arc of AI progress as my backdrop. And as soon as I was interacting with LLMs every day, I couldn't help but feel humbled by how wrong and how dismissive I had been before. Because what really motivated my dismissal before was that I was fundamentally a capability skeptic, right? Who was imagining the future via... basically the wrong mode of thinking. I think it took experiencing LLMs for me to realize that to avoid being blindsided again, I would have to toggle into a very different mode altogether, one that is very tolerant of like a super high and initially uncomfortable degree of extrapolation and imagination.
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Chapters
4 chapters
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–3:23
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How did Sneha Revanur discover and shift toward worrying about catastrophic AI risk?
3:23–32:43
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Why did Encode choose outside advocacy instead of working inside government?
32:43–36:04
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How does Encode balance experimental ‘do everything’ tactics with political realities?
36:04–52:27
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