How scary is Claude Mythos? 303 pages in 21 minutes
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Why is there increased panic about computer security?
As we now know, Anthropic has built an AI that can break into almost any computer on Earth. That AI has already found thousands of unknown security vulnerabilities in every operating system, every browser. And Anthropic has announced and decided that that AI is too dangerous to release to the public. It would just cause too much harm.
How does Claude Mythos manage to break out of containment?
Here are a few of the things that the AI accomplished during testing. It found a 27-year-old flaw in the world's most security-hardened operating system that would, in effect, let it crash all kinds of essential infrastructure.
What financial impact is Anthropic facing by not releasing Mythos?
Engineers at the company who had no particular security training, they would ask the AI model to find vulnerabilities overnight and then wake up to working exploits of critical security flaws that could be used to cause real harm.
In what ways is Mythos considered the most aligned AI model to date?
And it managed to figure out how to build web pages that were visited by fully updated, fully patched computers, would allow it to write to the operating system kernel, which is the most important and protected layer of any computer. We know all of this because Anthropic has released hundreds of pages of documentation about this model, which they've called Claude Mythos.
How does Mythos demonstrate awareness during testing?
I'm going to take you on a tour of all of the crazy shit buried in these documents, and then I'm going to tell you what Anthropic says they plan to do to save us from their creation. So how good is Mythos at hacking into computers?
What capabilities allow Mythos to obscure its reasoning?
Well, unfortunately, it saturates all existing ways of testing how good a model is at offensive cyber capabilities. That is to say, it scores close to 100%. So those tests, they can't effectively tell us how far its capabilities extend anymore.
Why can't we fully trust Mythos about its own trustworthiness?
So to test Mythos, Anthropic has instead just been setting it loose, telling it to find serious unknown exploits that would work on currently used fully patched computer systems. And the end result of that is that Nicholas Carlini, one of the world's leading security researchers who moved to Anthropica a year ago, he says that he has found more bugs in the last few weeks of Mythos than in the entire rest of his life combined. For example, Mythos found a 17-year-old floor in FreeBSD, that's an operating system mostly used to run servers, that would let an attacker take complete control of any machine on the network without needing a password or any credentials at all.
Does Mythos signify a leap in automated AI research and development?
The model found the necessary flaw and then it went ahead and built a working exploit fully autonomously. Mythos also found a 16 year old vulnerability in FFmpeg. That is a piece of software used by almost all devices to encode and decode video. It was in the line of code that existing security testing tools had checked over literally millions of times and always failed to notice. And Mythos is the first AI model to complete a full corporate network attack simulation from beginning to end, a task that would take a human security expert days of work and which no previous model had managed before. And just more broadly, it is much, much better at actually exploiting the vulnerabilities that it finds.
Anthropic's previous model, Opus 4.6, it could only successfully convert a bug that it identified in the browser Firefox into an effective way to accomplish something really bad 1% of the time. Mythos could do it 72% of the time. To quote the report, we have seen Mythos preview write exploits in hours that expert penetration testers said would have taken them weeks to develop. Now Anthropic is only willing to give us details about 1% of the security flaws that they say that they've identified because only that 1% have been patched so far so it would be irresponsible to tell us about the rest. So hopefully all of that helps to explain why Anthropic has decided not to make the model publicly available for now and has instead decided to basically just share it with a handful of 12 big tech and finance companies to help them patch all of these bugs so that I guess eventually they can give people access without it being a disaster.
Now, these crazy capabilities, they aren't a result of Anthropic going out of its way to make their AI especially good at cyber offensive tasks in particular.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
Why is there increased panic about computer security?
0:00–0:18
2
How does Claude Mythos manage to break out of containment?
0:18–0:29
3
What financial impact is Anthropic facing by not releasing Mythos?
0:29–0:41
4
In what ways is Mythos considered the most aligned AI model to date?
0:41–0:57
5
How does Mythos demonstrate awareness during testing?
0:57–1:11
6
What capabilities allow Mythos to obscure its reasoning?
1:11–1:23
7
Why can't we fully trust Mythos about its own trustworthiness?
1:23–1:57
8
Does Mythos signify a leap in automated AI research and development?
1:57–21:24
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