Trigger Warning: This episode contains multiple mentions of suicide and suicidal thoughts as well as themes that some listeners may find triggering. In many ways, Caroline Litman was the type of supportive Mum that any trans child could dream to have. She was supportive of her daughter, Alice, who was on the waiting list for gender affirming care. Alice was on the waiting list for a gender identity clinic appointment for 1,023 days when she took her own life. Ever since then, Caroline has fought for trans rights, in an attempt to ensure that the pain her daughter went through never needs to be experienced by anybody else, ever again. On this episode of A Gay And A NonGay, James and Dan are joined by Caroline to talk about the state of trans rights in the UK, her embarrassment about what she used to believe, whether we should be respectful to transphobic people online and why the gender critical movement is so well organised. Follow A Gay & A NonGay TikTok: @gaynongay Instagram: @gaynongay YouTube: @gaynongay Facebook: @gaynongay Website: gaynongay.com Email Us: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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