Has Trump been defeated by Iran?
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What is the current status of the Iran war initiated by Trump?
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It's almost three months since Donald Trump began the Iran war. But is there any chance now that America can actually win it? Or does the US president need to walk away and accept he achieved few of his shifting objectives? Today, Robert Malley, the lead negotiator on the 2015 Iran nuclear deal, on how the quagmire is similar to the Vietnam war and what can be done to end it.
What are the potential outcomes of Trump's military strategy against Iran?
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Robert, President Trump, he is continually threatening Iran with a full-scale assault if it doesn't reach an acceptable deal before, of course, then backing down. It's becoming like a never-ending cycle at this point, isn't it?
It is. And as I'm trying to do, but I found most impossible to achieve, is to ignore everything the president says, because the same day he'll say that, he'll say that we are an inch away from a deal. He'll say that there's no need for a deal because Iran has been vanquished. And he'll also say that the Iranian leaders with whom he's dealing are very smart.
Getting very close to making a deal. And if we can do that where there's no nuclear weapons, we will be probably satisfied also. I would say the ceasefire is on massive life support, where the doctor walks in and says, sir, your loved one has approximately a 1% chance of living. We're going to end that war very quickly. They want to make a deal so badly. It's going to happen, and it's going to happen fast. Well, we hit them very hard, but we may have to hit them even harder, but maybe not.
So... Pick your poison or your choice among all those statements. I think what really matters is what he'll decide to do in the coming days. And at this point, I would surmise it's as likely as we'll reach a deal as it is that we are headed towards another round of warfare.
Gosh, all right, yes. And he changes his mind and his objectives continually, daily, hourly. He communicates them through his social media accounts. platform, often very long, rambling posts. Just tell me, what do you think Iran makes of all of that? How does it perceive this?
Well, I mean, I suspect that they don't take it as seriously as it is at the beginning because there have been so many of these announcements that have not been followed up. I think every time he threatens utter destruction at this point, it's part of the background noise. I mean, not that they don't fear that at some point they might be victims once again of massive attacks, but there's no correlation in their mind between what the president does, thinks, and what he might do. So I suspect that they are just as prepared for a possible resumption of hostilities, and they've had time to do whatever they could to try to maximize their own retaliation and minimize their own losses, but also preparing themselves for the possibility of a diplomatic breakthrough if that's what the president decides he would rather do.
All right. Well, Robert, what I want to consider with you now is whether as much as he might want to declare victory, Donald Trump can actually win this war.
So let me first say, you know, nothing will justify in my mind a war that was unlawful, unnecessary and unjustified from day one. Now, when you ask, can the president, can the United States claim victory? Well... The metrics upon which it could have claimed victory were available basically from week two or three of the war. In other words, it is true, and the president has said it, that the United States has dealt Iran a very formidable military blow in terms of some of its capacities, in terms of its nuclear program, in terms of its leadership, which it has decapitated, in terms of the economic cost that Iran is going to have to contend with once the war ends again.
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Chapters
5 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–0:26
2
What is the current status of the Iran war initiated by Trump?
0:26–1:26
3
What are the potential outcomes of Trump's military strategy against Iran?
1:26–7:00
4
How does the Vietnam War relate to the current situation with Iran?
7:00–9:00
5
What challenges does the US face in negotiating with Iran?
9:00–16:32