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How Iran is becoming Trump’s forever war

13 Apr 2026

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Chapter 1: What led to the failure of peace talks between the US and Iran?

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9.987 - 32.612 Carrington Clark

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52.495 - 80.207 Sam Hawley

The peace talks failed, so now Donald Trump wants to disrupt the vital oil shipping route, the Strait of Hormuz, even further. A US blockade will stop ships entering or departing Iranian ports, but will it really work to bring an end to the conflict? Today, Hussein Abish from the Arab Gulf States Institute on what to expect and why this is becoming very much like a forever war.

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80.795 - 86.012 Sam Hawley

I'm Sam Hawley on Gadigal land in Sydney. This is ABC News Daily.

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Marathon peace talks between the US and Iran have failed to reach a breakthrough, raising fears of a reignited war. The historic face-to-face meeting ran more than 20 hours but ended in a deadlock.

107.711 - 114.48 J.D. Vance

J.D. Vance says he was in contact with President Donald Trump multiple times through the negotiations.

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We've had a number of substantive discussions with the Iranians. That's the good news. The bad news is that we have not reached an agreement. And I think that's bad news for Iran much more than it's bad news for the United States of America.

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Hussein, J.D. Vance, the vice president, he has largely been missing from this war. But over the weekend, he was the chief negotiator at these peace talks in Pakistan. Just tell me, why was that, do you think?

Chapter 2: How does the US plan to enforce a blockade on Iranian ports?

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that he is prepared to ratchet up pressure in a really meaningful military way.

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Well, US President Donald Trump says the US Navy will immediately begin a blockade to stop ships from entering or leaving the Strait of Hormuz. US Central Command has confirmed the move, saying the blockade will be enforced impartially against vessels of all nations entering or departing Iranian ports and coastal areas, including all Iranian ports on the Arabian Gulf and Gulf of Oman.

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316.394 - 326.667 Donald Trump

As you know, at 10 o'clock tomorrow, we have a blockade going into effect. That'll be 10 o'clock tomorrow. Other nations are working so that Iran will not be able to sell oil.

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327.457 - 346.125 Hussein Ibish

And this business about blockading the Strait of Hormuz is something I've been wondering why the administration didn't try for weeks now. It seems such an obvious response, which is that the Iranians say, well, you know, if you're going to bomb us, your friends can't sell their oil, but our customers will still get theirs.

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346.886 - 363.032 Hussein Ibish

That the American response can be actually, no, you can't sell your oil either. And, you know, you need the Strait as much as anybody else for import and export. and let's see how much you like a blockaded straight. So it's another interesting move here.

365.678 - 375.747 Sam Hawley

But how does Donald Trump achieve that, this threat to blockade the Strait of Hormuz altogether? Because Iran has said its response will be severe.

376.048 - 397.98 Hussein Ibish

Yeah, well, what he can do, of course, is get a naval presence in the region, which interdicts shipping that they don't approve of. And that's exactly what Iran has threatened to do and has done in the past. And, you know, they can simply say, look, we're not allowing, we have this whole area under surveillance. We're not allowing anybody's shipping to pass. until such time as Iran agrees

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to recognise that this is an open international shipping way for maritime commerce open to all. And once we get that commitment from them again, as we had before the war, then we'll be glad to step back.

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But Iran has been letting some ships through, right?

Chapter 3: What role does Vice President Vance play in the Iran conflict?

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715.999 - 738.866 Sam Hawley

I guess one question is though, does Benjamin Netanyahu want the war to end? There was that reporting in the New York Times last week, right, that made it very clear that it was the Israeli leader who really convinced Donald Trump to go ahead with this war during that crucial Situation Room meeting. Remind me of that and what insights did it give us? How important was that reporting?

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739.146 - 765.332 Hussein Ibish

The New York Times report, which was very well done, explained how and when Netanyahu and leaders of Mossad and other Israeli agencies kind of approached Trump and said, now's the time. Among other things, they promised him that the Iranian people would likely rebel against the clerical regime. And so based on that and a whole bunch of fairy tales,

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765.667 - 788.248 Hussein Ibish

the Israelis managed to persuade a particularly credulous American president that this was all a very good idea. And whatever the American president thought he was promised certainly didn't happen. So you have to be, I think, pretty ignorant and pretty dense to fall for it. But I think maybe the guy in the White House right now qualifies.

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So does Benjamin Netanyahu want this war to end, do you think?

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No, I don't. I don't think so. The one in Lebanon, he definitely doesn't want to end. Well, I think he's envisaging a conflict that goes on for... months if not years, and years if not decades.

806.929 - 829.879 Hussein Ibish

So it's going to be hard to prevent him from getting his way unless he loses the coming Israeli election, and there's a very different government with a different attitude, which is possible, or unless the United States starts changing its view of the Lebanese conflict. Now, one thing that did happen is that at first the Israelis sold the Lebanese conflict

830.095 - 860.421 Hussein Ibish

portion of this as a separate conflict, unrelated to the US-Israeli attack on Iran. And the Trump administration basically said, in which case you have a free reign here, just don't attack the airport and don't attack the port. And everything else, we leave it up to you. The Israeli response was to keep bombing Lebanon after the ceasefire began. And that led to this very tense early standoff.

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And now, apparently, the Israelis have promised Trump that they will lay off Lebanon for a little bit. We don't know how much and we don't know for how long.

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