609: You’re the Oreo Cookie

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John Siracusa 0:00
it really is a miracle that we did not kill each other during the recording of the last member special and that we are here recording a new episode of our normal podcast i think this is the closest we've ever come to killing each other can you think of a different time i don't know why you thought it was so uh so contentious i thought it was very calm and uh reasonable right up until the very end but still you gotta count the whole you gotta count the whole rest of the episode which was very long where everything went fine
Marco Arment 0:30
I'm not sure I agree entirely. I think this is kind of one of those things where you meet somebody else's family. When someone from a family that doesn't argue with each other all the time meets someone from a family that does, it can be quite shocking. And I still think, despite the fact that you two have known me for over a decade now, you don't quite understand how... i operate normally and every time there's any contentious words you're like oh no the world is ending and i'm like this is just another day it really depends on how you were raised
Casey Liss 1:03
I'm sure I have been more upset with you, John, probably with regard to something car related and you're ridiculous.
Marco Arment 1:09
Probably on every other past. No, it was never special. Maybe. I think this one reached new levels for sure. Really? I really feel like the iPod one. I mean, Marco definitely seemed more aggrieved in the iPod one. because i think we are farther apart on those i don't want to spoil anything about it but i think we're actually pretty close together on this one but you you two just were united in disagreement about one level in the tier list single level i i really honestly think that we need to change the rules of the tier list as a result of this episode that's how that's how bad the the voting process was i think i think it worked out remember the connectors episode where we like couldn't get anything up to the top right i think the connectors was more problematic but like you know we do what we do we got to work within the system i feel like i still feel like we did a good job in the end in the end justice was done
Casey Liss 2:00
I don't know if I'd go that far. It was funny though. So after we recorded, it was either yesterday afternoon or perhaps this morning, I was thinking about how maybe we should change the rules. And very briefly, the rules for the tier lists are all three of us have to reach an agreement if something is going to be S tier. And remember, it's S is the best, then A, B, C, D, F. And for something to go from A to S, the rule has been we absolutely, all three of us, must agree. And this has caused some amount of problems in the past. I think I do mostly concur.
Marco Arment 2:33
I think it's caused some amount of success because I think it really does. In fact, what I was thinking is if we did change it, we should change it so F also requires all three of us to agree.
Casey Liss 2:41
I don't think that's wise.
Marco Arment 2:42
And then we just work in the middle part. Because if you get to those extremes, then you really need everyone to agree. Yeah.
Casey Liss 2:49
i mean i understand the logic there i don't know if i agree and it increases the value of s and you know the d value of f i guess but i was thinking yesterday or today that all of a sudden all of connected's absolutely preposterous rules suddenly they're starting to make ever so slightly more sense you can't just you can't just end up chasing your tail and changing the rules all the time when you don't like how things go you know
Marco Arment 3:12
It's true, but nevertheless, at the same time... I mean, if that was the case, I would have been arguing to change the rules after the iPhone episode, but I wasn't. I accepted. That's just the way it turned out. Indeed.
Casey Liss 3:20
But yes, so we should probably specify what the heck we're talking about. So yeah, we said it was another tier list members episode, but we were ranking storage medium, or storage media, if you will. Storage media, yes. Yeah, and we were ranking all sorts of storage media. So I had been the... inventor of the topic the creator of the topic but all i all i said was hey we should do storage media and then john took it and ran with it you listed a bunch of ones too i like i looked at your list when i came up with the things But John ran with it in a way that I did not expect, but I have no problems with. I thought you ran with it in a very reasonable way.

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