E244 The Rise of Agentic AI: Security, Governance & Enterprise Risk with Sector8’s Kammil Mahajan

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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

Kammil Mahajan 0:00
AI is everywhere. Either you accept as a business or not, your employees are using it. What we need to think and care is, it's not what AI will give you as an output. It's what AI take as an action. I tell you, I have learned a lot in the last five years than I have learned in 20 years of my corporate life.

How did Kammil Mahajan's startup experience shape his approach to AI security?

Kammil Mahajan 0:20
We all go through the good days, right? But I think a good entrepreneur who navigates through the bad days is the one who can have a possibility of succeeding more.
Mark Kelly 0:39
Today, we've got Camille Mahajan, who's the co-founder and CEO of Sector Ace. Camille, thank you very much for coming into the Guinness Enterprise Studio today.
Kammil Mahajan 0:47
Thank you, Mark, for inviting me, and I'm looking forward to our conversation.
Mark Kelly 0:51
So you've been involved in a few different startups over the years.
Kammil Mahajan 0:53
Yes, I have.
Mark Kelly 0:55
Learned a lot?
Kammil Mahajan 0:56
A lot. I tell you, I have learned a lot in the last five years than I have learned in 20 years of my corporate life.
Mark Kelly 1:02
It's all about actually just getting your hands wet and doing it, isn't it? Brad, no book or life advice is ever going to teach you, is it?
Kammil Mahajan 1:09
No, absolutely. Even people give you advice. You want to do the things to learn is that really the advice going to apply or not. So it's all about taking an action, doing it and learning from your mistakes and wins as well. Yeah.
Mark Kelly 1:23
Yeah, I also think you're probably better off getting advice from people who've failed rather than people who've succeeded in some ways, because there's always got kind of survivor bias sometimes where a lot of times they could get lucky.
Kammil Mahajan 1:35
And Mark, you know, people don't really talk a lot about their failures. When you go to certain events, you see people are on the stage, on the panels. They all talk about mostly the success part. you know, how great and good they are, but the failure part is what we need to learn more.
Mark Kelly 1:51
Yeah, and then being open to share that. But even when you've, you know, I always talk about growth mindset and things like this, but learning something the hard way where it doesn't go to plan is really difficult and it really hurts your feelings, particularly if you're putting your life energy into it. It's really hard. Tell us a little bit about Sector 8 and how was it born?

Why did Sector8 form to address AI governance and cybersecurity gaps?

Kammil Mahajan 2:14
Yeah, so it wasn't a planned born, I would say. We were working in a space of cybersecurity, like me and my co-founder, we've been in cybersecurity for a combined 40 years. And we realized that the AI adoption is happening so quickly. that the governance and the security part was lagging behind. When we were advising businesses on the AI part, bringing them to their business, we were seeing there's a lot of control for missing. The things you used to do with the typical cybersecurity tools, those tools were not good enough when an AI come and play a role. And we realized there's a whole new set of tools need to govern and secure AI products and tools. And that's basically where Sector8 come into existence.
Mark Kelly 3:05
Was there like a single event or an insight that kind of convinced you this is now a problem that needs to be solved?
Kammil Mahajan 3:13
Yeah, it's a combination of two things. One is... We did a lot of R&D and we still do a lot of R&D in this space. As part of my ongoing PhD in AI security, we do need to understand what's happening in the academic world. But also from an event perspective, When we see people, especially the businesses, are moving from a simple chat bot and chat GPTs to a genetic space, we realize the risk parameter has gone way bigger. It is not just about putting a prompt and getting an output anymore.

How does agentic AI change risk by granting agents access to enterprise tools?

Kammil Mahajan 3:48
you have agentic space where they are working with each other, taking the actions. And that's where we realized that we need to have governance and security around the agentic space. And that's basically where Sector 8 kind of born.
Mark Kelly 4:01
So for most people, they would have interacted with a Chachibiti, a Gemini, a Claude. And now going on to these agents or agentic AI, why is this a little bit different? Where does the kind of rules of the game start to change?
Kammil Mahajan 4:18
Yeah, so rules of the game change where these agents now have access and control to tools.

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