In this episode of the Alcohol Minimalist Podcast, Molly talks with J.W. Wiseman, founder of Curious Elixirs, about the rise of craft non-alcoholic cocktails and why they matter so much for people who want a more peaceful relationship with alcohol. J.W. shares how his own desire to drink less led him to create one of the earliest brands in the non-alcoholic beverage space, long before “sober curious” became a mainstream term. Together, Molly and J.W. explore the idea that drinking less does not have to mean settling for something boring, basic, or deprived—it can still feel elevated, flavorful, social, and deeply satisfying. From the origins of Curious Elixirs in 2015 to the role of functional herbs, adaptogens, and intentional drink design, this conversation offers a fresh look at how non-alcoholic beverages can support people across the sobriety spectrum. Molly also challenges the common belief that a drink needs alcohol to be worth enjoying, reminding listeners that taste, ritual, and experience matter too. In This Episode, You’ll Hear: Why J.W. started Curious Elixirs before the term “sober curious” even existed How non-alcoholic beverages can support a more intentional relationship with alcohol Why flavor, ritual, and connection matter more than alcohol itself How Curious Elixirs helped pioneer the craft, functional non-alcoholic cocktail category The role of herbs and adaptogens in creating drinks that feel sophisticated and supportive Why “less alcohol” does not have to mean “less fun” How J.W.’s own drinking habits pushed him to rethink what he wanted alcohol to do in his life Key TakeawaysJ.W. explains that people do not need alcohol to have fun—they need connection, intention, and something that genuinely feels good in their body. That idea aligns beautifully with the Alcohol Minimalist philosophy: creating a relationship with alcohol that is conscious, peaceful, and free from all-or-nothing thinking. This episode also highlights an important mindset shift: non-alcoholic drinks are not “less than.” They can be crafted, complex, beautiful, and worthy of the same appreciation people often reserve for alcoholic beverages. Molly and J.W. discuss how that reframe opens up more options for people who want to drink less without feeling like they are missing out. And finally, J.W.’s story is a reminder that change often starts with curiosity. What began as a personal effort to cut back and reset his tolerance eventually became a company built to help others find more freedom and flexibility in how they drink. About the GuestJ.W. Wiseman is the founder of Curious Elixirs, one of the early leaders in the non-alcoholic cocktail movement. Before launching the company in 2015, he worked across media, marketing, and hospitality, including roles with NBC, Broadway, Thrillist, and Skillshare, before founding his own agency, Good Business. Mentioned in This EpisodeCurious Elixirs The “sober curious” movement Functional herbs and adaptogens Curious Red The Curious Elixirs flavor quiz Molly’s idea of living “mostly alcohol-free” Low risk drinking guidelines from the NIAAA:Healthy men under 65:No more than 4 drinks in one day and no more than 14 drinks per week.Healthy women (all ages) and healthy men 65 and older:No more than 3 drinks in one day and no more than 7 drinks per week.One drink is defined as 12 ounces of beer, 5 ounces of wine, or 1.5 ounces of 80-proof liquor. So remember that a mixed drink or full glass of wine are probably more than one drink.Abstinence from alcoholAbstinence from alcohol is the best choice for people who take medication(s) that interact with alcohol, have health conditions that could be exacerbated by alcohol (e.g. liver disease), are pregnant or may become pregnant or have had a problem with alcohol or another substance in the past.Benefits of “low-risk” drinkingFollowing these guidelines reduces the risk of health problems such as cancer, liver disease, reduced immunity, ulcers, sleep problems, complications of existing conditions, and more. It also reduces the risk of depression, social problems, and difficulties at school or work. ★ Support this podcast ★

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