Thinking about suicide (Part 2 of 2)
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Why does the guest argue that the medicalisation of suicide is a major obstacle?
The current thinking around suicide and suicide prevention is just so dominated by our current approach to mental health, which is medical, which in turn is dominated by medical diagnosis and medical treatments. And I think that's just incredibly unhelpful. It's the single biggest obstacle to progress with suicide prevention is the excessive medicalisation of it. There's so much more to being human than what the medical profession can tell us about that. I'm not saying medicine doesn't have a place. It just has to open its doors to all the other things. I'd be very happy if we could resurrect the idea of Psychake as the starting point of the of the conversation here. You know, the crisis of the self that I talk about is a very painful one.
Pain is a meaningful word. Talk to me about the pain that I experience. Don't talk to me about my serotonin levels. That doesn't mean anything to me. And the other one look I just like the word psych, 'cause we need to remember that its original meaning, s and still its meaning, is soul. Soul in that sense is is it's about going to the you know, our deeper sense of who we are. Again this notion of our sense of self.
And what a passionate and heartfelt response to that interview with David Webb last show, whose new book is called Thinking About Suicide, Contemplating and Comprehending the Urge to Die, based on his own experience of a number of suicide attempts. and on his PhD. This is all in the mind on ABC Radio National. Welcome from me, Natasha Mitchell. So many of you posted your own experiences on our website in great detail and with great depth of feeling. And big thanks for your frank reflections on what is a sensitive subject, life itself, and the decision to end it. The 2010 Australian of the Year psychiatrist Patrick Magorrie recently said, it's impossible for a person in full mental health to control.
Commit suicide. But if you caught David Webb last week, he's concerned that framing suicide solely in terms of mental illness is deprivation us of a more nuanced and meaningful public discussion about despair and about suicide. And today a suicide prevention leader is joining me to reflect on the themes raised last week. Dr. Michael Dudley is longtime chair of the Peak Body. Suicide Prevention Australia. He's a child and adolescent psychiatrist at the Prince of Wales. and Sydney children's hospitals, and has been active in Indigenous and refugee mental health And human rights issues. Doctor Michael Dudley, thanks for joining me on the programme this week.
Pleasure, Natasha.
Now people will be perhaps familiar with Australia's you'd you'd hope they're familiar with Australia's suicide prevention campaigns, the national suicide prevention strategy, the living is for everyone campaign, but perhaps people will be less familiar with the field that you're a part of called suicidology. What is, Michael, suicidology?
Uh Natasha it refers to those people who are specialists in the study of suicide or its prevention.
And so it's the sort of full gamut of people involved clinically and in research.
Yeah, that's correct. And others too, people who are on the receiving end of services and so on. Very important not to forget those with lived experience.
And that's an interesting point because our guest last week, David Webb, expressed concern that the voices of those who have attempted suicide have been absent from the professional end of the field of suicidology.
David makes a very important point about this. We have been remiss in our discipline in not taking more account of the voice of people who are suicidal. There's emerging research in this area too, including David's, that illustrates very well that we need to make a much better showing in this area.
It's ironic, isn't it, given that the field of suicidology is about people who attempt suicide.
Yeah, look, I think the the problem is that it tends to be, as in many scientific pursuits, tends to become the pursuit of objective knowledge and sometimes that takes the form of classification and diagnostic processes that tend to kind of look at what large groups have in common rather than look at the elements of individuals' experience and what makes
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Chapters
5 chapters
1
Why does the guest argue that the medicalisation of suicide is a major obstacle?
0:11–4:57
2
What is suicidology and who works in this field?
4:57–10:59
3
How are suicide attempt survivors treated in emergency departments?
10:59–17:50
4
What stigma surrounds people who have attempted suicide?
17:50–24:19
5
Is every suicide linked to a mental illness or are other factors involved?
24:19–29:53