The $1/Hour Worker: Four Robotics CEOs on Humanoids at Home, China's Threat, and the End of Dangerous Jobs

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Jason Calacanis 0:00
Hey everybody, it's your boy J-Cal. I'm here in Paris, France at a conference called Makina. It's basically AI in the real world.
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Jason Calacanis 1:05
Really excited to have Dr. Peter Funkhauser on the program. You're the co-founder and CEO of Anybotics. You make the Anymo. Get it? Yes. You have puns. But you've been working in this space for close to 20 years. The company's been around for 10. First five years, kind of a research lab. Last five years, you're... What do you call these? Dog-based robots? It's an inspection solution.
Dr. Péter Fankhauser 1:32
It's about data collection and understanding in critical infrastructure.
Jason Calacanis 1:35
But the form factor is... A four-legged robot. A four-legged... Or a dog. We like to call it a dog-o-bot. But... Why did that dog format become the standard? You're not the only person making it. There's many people making it now. Why did that one become the first one to hit, you know, relative scale and forward deployment?
Dr. Péter Fankhauser 1:59
Yeah. In nature, you know, a lot of animals have four legs. So there's a reason to that. So for sure you have a great mobility. You can climb stairs. You can go anywhere a person can go. So dexterity and balance. Mobility, right? Balance, but also stability. Four legs, if you're wide footprint, a lot of footholds hold on to, because we work in nasty environments. Slippery floors, there's, you know, rain forming, there's snow falling down, grass growing. Got it. So four legs is a real good format.
Jason Calacanis 2:24
Well, now this is a silly question, but why don't we make Cenotars for the human versions? When people are making the Optimus, the Neo, the Atlas from Boston Dynamics, those stand-up robots, with two legs, the concern is they're always going to fall over. They constantly fall over in demos. And if they fall over, they're going to break somebody's ankle. Why not put four legs on those?
Dr. Péter Fankhauser 2:47
You could, absolutely. And it really depends on the use case. If you need to work, bring, you know, I don't know, in a coffee shop, bring it to them. There's narrow spaces, right? You want to work an eye level. Maybe a humanoid is better. In the facilities that we work, four leg stability, there's enough space to go around. It's the perfect format.
Jason Calacanis 3:03
I don't buy it. I think all the cafes should have Were they cenotars in a Greek mythology?

What motivated ANYbotics to choose four‑legged robots for industrial inspections?

Jason Calacanis 3:09
It's a cenotar. Yeah, I think that should be the new standard. You found a really effective first use case, which is inspecting really important infrastructure. And now you have thousands of these, hundreds of these, hundreds for deployed over the last five years. These are expensive. They're low hundreds of thousands of dollars to buy them and to operate them. I'm assuming tens of thousands a year in service contracts. So they're not for home use. These are industrial and they have a lot of sensors on them. So if you were going to inspect, I don't know, a pipeline with natural gas in it, these things can go out in any weather And they can sense things on that pipeline that a human can't, correct?
Dr. Péter Fankhauser 4:00
Yeah, that's right. For us, it's not about labor replacement, right? It's what can we do better? What can we do superhuman? Inspection is a great example. Our eyes and ears don't perceive all the signals. Microgas leakages, temperature equipment overheating with the cameras on the robot, thermal cameras, acoustic microphones, gas concentrations, and all of that. We pack it full of sensors and AI, and you can go way beyond what a human can do.

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