Neal Ford: software architect, author, speaker, and independent consultant (formerly 20+ years at ThoughtWorks), joins Tobias to explore what happens to software architecture when AI agents write the code. We unpack the critical distinction between behavior and capabilities: why everyone focuses on what code does, but too few think about scalability, security, and responsiveness. Neal introduces architectural fitness functions as the essential guardrail for agentic systems, and explains why non-deterministic code generation demands deterministic tests. Finally, we dig into legacy modernization, the Dreyfus scale applied to LLMs, ephemerality as the new architectural dimension, and why AI is a multiplier, not a replacement, for experienced engineers.

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