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Americanswers… Why has JD Vance changed his mind about Trump's intelligence?

22 Jun 2026

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Chapter 1: Why has JD Vance changed his opinion about Donald Trump's intelligence?

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48.344 - 60.801 Anthony Zurcher

Hello, it's Anthony, and you're about to hear AmeriCast. We're delighted to have you with us. And if you enjoy what you hear, please do consider subscribing to the podcast. That way, you'll never miss an episode. Now, on with today.

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61.382 - 73.497 Justin Webb

Is Donald Trump about to be defeated, not in Congress, but by algae in a pool? That's one of the questions we turn to in this edition of America Answers. We're usually with Matt Chorley on Five Live on a Monday, aren't we?

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Chapter 2: What issues have arisen with Trump's reflection pool in Washington, D.C.?

73.517 - 96.395 Justin Webb

But Matt is unusually busy because, as you may have heard, the UK Prime Minister has resigned. But don't worry, we are still going to answer a range of questions. Al Gee is certainly among those questions. So is J.D. Vance and his view on Donald Trump's IQ and that fallout that there has been between Italy's Giorgio Meloni and the President, the two of them fighting on social media.

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96.495 - 98.888 Justin Webb

So, welcome to America Answers.

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101.011 - 104.337 Anthony Zurcher

America's America's from BBC News.

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104.357 - 108.885 Donald Trump

You hear that? Oh, I think when I hear that sound, it reminds me of money.

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109.166 - 113.293 JD Vance

We didn't start this war, but under President Trump, we are finishing it.

113.414 - 119.144 Marianna Spring

This is a big cover up and this administration is engaged in it. This guy has Trump arrangement syndrome.

119.164 - 125.095 JD Vance

I have four words for you. Turn the volume up.

Chapter 3: How much is the algae problem in the reflection pool costing taxpayers?

128.315 - 131.783 Justin Webb

Hello, it's Justin in the worldwide headquarters of AmeriCast in London, England.

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132.124 - 135.972 Marianna Spring

And it is Marianna sitting next to Justin in the worldwide headquarters in London.

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136.614 - 140.603 Sarah Smith

And it is Sarah here in the heart of it all in Washington, DC.

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140.701 - 161.544 Justin Webb

OK, let's go straight to the questions. This from Graham in Weymouth. Recently, my social media feed, Graham says, has been showing posts about a reflection pool in Washington that Donald J. Trump ordered that either failed or algae is covering as well as costing millions of dollars. What is the truth behind this? Well, it's not just any old reflection pool, is it? Indeed, it's not.

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161.604 - 166.489 Justin Webb

Its real name isn't reflection pool at all, is it, Sarah? Fill us in on what the thing is that we're talking about here.

166.722 - 185.212 Sarah Smith

Yeah, it's known as the reflecting pool or the reflecting pond initially. And it's a body of water right in the sort of ceremonial heart of Washington, where the monuments and memorials are. And it's meant to reflect things like the Washington Monument in it. But it's always been a little bit dingy, blind with grey concrete.

Chapter 4: What are the political implications of the algae-filled reflection pool?

185.292 - 200.965 Sarah Smith

Often the water has appeared a little bit dirty. It hasn't really fulfilled its mission of So Donald Trump decided, as he has done with so many things in Washington, he was going to beautify it. He was going to fix it in time for America's 250th birthday. But it hasn't quite worked out like that.

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201.164 - 221.367 Justin Webb

Yeah. And so they thought that they had beautified it. And then either the paint job wasn't terribly well done or the stuff that they used to kill the algae has also damaged the paint. So there are now apparently bits of the paint, Marianne, are just floating around.

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221.347 - 223.029 Marianna Spring

Yeah, like chunks of blue paint.

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223.089 - 227.014 Justin Webb

It's all desperately sad because we posed, I thought, very attractively next to it, didn't we?

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227.054 - 229.858 Marianna Spring

Yeah, and it was absolutely freezing cold. It was beautiful.

229.938 - 240.092 Justin Webb

Yeah, it was very beautiful. I mean, I've been there a thousand times, but I never really looked into it because exactly as Sarah says, it's never reflected anything, really.

Chapter 5: Why did Donald Trump and Giorgia Meloni have a public falling out?

240.292 - 244.958 Justin Webb

And I think the idea that Donald Trump could get it to reflect was always going to be a bit far-fetched.

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245.14 - 269.545 Marianna Spring

Yeah, I think it's one of those things that was best left alone and in a slightly more simple state. But as you might imagine, all of the content showing this water going like very green has been all over. Yeah, exactly as Graham pointed out, all over social media. And yeah, lots of speculation about exactly why. So there's the paint kind of peeling off. And then there's also the algae bloom.

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269.525 - 286.952 Marianna Spring

And then apparently officials have been using chemicals, including hydrogen peroxide, to try to treat the algae. And then Donald Trump posted this thing on Truth Social saying, actually, it's none of those things. It's to do with vandals. He said, work will begin immediately on fixing the seriously vandalised reflecting pool.

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287.213 - 297.068 Marianna Spring

I just inspected it and could only say to myself and those gathered around me, wow, who would do such a thing? Sick, deranged people, capitals. We will fix it. Question mark?

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Chapter 6: How does the conflict between Trump and Meloni reflect U.S.-European relations?

297.048 - 300.172 Justin Webb

Have you seen the vandals at work, Sarah?

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301.294 - 318.677 Sarah Smith

Well, there are all sorts of stories about who the vandals could be. I've even seen mentioned online that it's actually a plot by Antifa to come and destroy the good work that had been done by Donald Trump in the reflecting pool in order to make him look bad. But this story is not just travelling on social media. It's absolutely captivated America.

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318.697 - 333.583 Sarah Smith

And you might think of all of the things that are going on in this country. Truly, it's the most important thing whether or not there is algae blooming in this pool in the middle of Washington. But it is being seen as a metaphor for the way Donald Trump approaches everything. He took something that wasn't a huge problem.

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333.903 - 345.364 Sarah Smith

I mean, OK, maybe it could have reflected better, but it wasn't a substantial issue. Insisted that he could quickly and cheaply fix this. He said it was going to take two weeks and cost one and a half million pounds.

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345.344 - 366.343 Sarah Smith

It has taken considerably longer than that and probably upwards of about £15 million so far as he insisted on doing it his way and making it into what he thought it should always have been. So it was going to be painted blue on the bottom, American flag blue, he said. It was going to be done by a pal of his in a no-bid contract, even though this is federal government work.

Chapter 7: What does JD Vance's view say about the political landscape in America?

366.684 - 387.518 Sarah Smith

Someone who'd done swimming pools for him in other properties was going to fix the reflecting pool. And then weeks late, what happens is within hours of it being reopened, you've got this green algae blooming all over it. The pool doesn't look blue anymore. And it would appear to be something of a disaster considerably worse than it was before Donald Trump ever got involved in the first place.

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387.538 - 401.575 Sarah Smith

So while you might think, for heaven's sake, you know, we're dealing with Iran and the conflict there. Why are we worrying about a reflecting pool? Well, people are seeing a lot of parallels between the way Donald Trump has handled things like the war with Iran and this pool in the middle of D.C.

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401.555 - 416.896 Marianna Spring

But it's where like something quite small and quite simple becomes reflective of a wider thing that people are worried and concerned about and is quite visible as well. I mean, I think that's the thing about the pool, right? It's like the images are very obvious and very shareable and therefore trigger a conversation.

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417.116 - 424.225 Marianna Spring

Some of the other things we're talking about, including around geopolitics, are perhaps visually harder to depict, not least when there's not really access to a lot of the places where this stuff is happening.

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424.246 - 440.881 Justin Webb

That's interesting. I think when we live in such a visual society too, and you talk about this a lot, and it really does matter, doesn't it? If we're in a post-literate society, in a more visual society, then maybe things like what happens to the reflecting pool does suddenly take on this extraordinary importance in people's lives.

440.901 - 444.424 Marianna Spring

But that's also the kind of irony of all this, that actually Donald Trump knows that.

Chapter 8: How do public perceptions of Trump's intelligence impact his political support?

444.504 - 454.613 Marianna Spring

He knows how visual this age is. And that's why he was trying to do what he was doing to the reflecting pool, because he wanted it to give a certain impression of the United States.

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454.593 - 473.749 Sarah Smith

There's another aspect, though, about this reflecting pool, which I think also is illustrative of some of the things people care a lot about during the Trump administration. And that is the way the justice system gets involved. How on earth, you might be wondering, could that come into the question of refurbishing a pool in the middle of Washington?

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473.729 - 489.807 Sarah Smith

Since Donald Trump said it was vandalism that had caused the lining on the bottom to be breaking apart and this algae to start blooming green. He says it was vandalism and people have been arrested for that with it would appear very little evidence for what they had actually done wrong.

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490.447 - 503.847 Sarah Smith

One of them who's been interviewed by American media turns out to be an Olympian canoeist who represented the United States several times at the Olympics. He also says he's a material scientist who knows a thing or two about how this could have happened.

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503.867 - 526.944 Sarah Smith

He was cycling past the pool, stopped to have a look to try and work out what was going on, touched a piece of the lining that was floating on the surface, but he says he didn't. break, dislodge, destroy harm in any way, any of it. He was arrested, held for five hours and may well be prosecuted for this with a charge that could carry a 10 year sentence.

526.964 - 542.89 Sarah Smith

Now, I imagine it's probably not going to come to that because his arrest is being sort of rather widely mocked. But the idea that you've got people being held in jail cells for supposedly vandalising something that's just because the president is upset that the renovation didn't work terribly well.

543.11 - 549.156 Sarah Smith

Well, that's something else that in a very small way tells you quite a lot about how people feel about living in Donald Trump's America at the moment.

549.497 - 555.363 Justin Webb

OK, thanks to Graham and Weymouth. Let's turn to the next question. It's a voice note, actually, from Robert in Malmesbury in North Wiltshire.

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Hello, AmeriCast team. I have a simple question. I saw J.D. Vance being interviewed last week and his whole message was, how intelligent Donald Trump was, one of the most intelligent presidents in the history of the United States. I was just wondering what prompted him to feel he had to say that. So, you know, obviously I question the message, but why did Vance say, feel he had to say that.

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