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Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present

Funky Shadows

26 Feb 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

0.031 - 3.576 Amy Robach

This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed human.

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4.958 - 9.464 Clayton Echard

I'm Clayton Eckerd. In 2022, I was the lead of ABC's The Bachelor.

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10.025 - 12.649 Unknown

But here's the thing. Bachelor fans hated him.

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13.21 - 15.272 Clayton Echard

If I could press a button and rewind it all, I would.

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15.653 - 17.676 Unknown

That's when his life took a disturbing turn.

18.156 - 20.76 Stephanie Young

A one-night stand would end in a courtroom.

22.863 - 24.986 Amy Robach

The media is here. This case has gone viral.

25.307 - 26.849 Clayton Echard

The dating contract.

27.189 - 29.953 Amy Robach

Agree to date me, but I'm also suing you.

Chapter 2: What led to Clayton Echard's unexpected paternity claim?

53.119 - 55.602 Stephanie Young

Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you?

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55.622 - 58.946 Menelik Lumumba

I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused.

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59.166 - 79.988 Stephanie Young

Can you get someone to join your cult? NLP was used on me to access my subconscious. Mind Games, a new podcast exploring NLP, a.k.a. Neurolinguistic Programming. Is it a self-help miracle, a shady hypnosis scam, or both? Listen to Mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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80.812 - 88.539 Menelik Lumumba

1969, Malcolm and Martin are gone. America is in crisis. At a Morehouse College, the students make their move.

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88.559 - 110.818 Hans Charles

These students, including a young Samuel L. Jackson, locked up the members of the Board of Trustees, including Martin Luther King Sr. It's the true story of protest and rebellion in Black American history that you'll never forget. I'm Hans Charles. I'm Menelik Lumumba. Listen to The A Building on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

110.798 - 114.621 Clayton Echard

This is Special Agent Regal, Special Agent Bradley Hall.

115.222 - 138.983 Unknown

In 2018, the FBI took down a ring of spies working for China's Ministry of State Security, one of the most mysterious intelligence agencies in the world. The Sixth Bureau podcast is a story of the inner workings of the MSS and how one man's ambition and mistakes opened its vault of secrets. Listen to The Sixth Bureau on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

147.367 - 155.315 Unknown

Amy Robach and TJ Holmes present... Killer Thriller with your host, Alisa Donovan.

155.335 - 177.238 Amy Robach

Hey everyone, Alisa Donovan here, and this is Killer Thriller. Okay, today we are really getting into a very, very nutso case. Because sometimes the most dangerous stories, they are not the ones that happen in dark alleys. They happen in inboxes, courtrooms, headlines. So today we are stepping into a case that played out in real time.

Chapter 3: How did Clayton respond to the initial accusation?

1276.7 - 1285.251 Hans Charles

It featured two prominent figures in Black history, Martin Luther King Sr. and a young student, Samuel L. Jackson.

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1285.231 - 1288.758 Stephanie Young

to be in what we really thought was a revolution.

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1288.858 - 1294.269 Hans Charles

I mean, people were dying. 1968, the murder of Dr. King, which traumatized everyone.

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1294.409 - 1307.155 Menelik Lumumba

The FBI had a role in the murder of a Black Panther leader in Chicago. This story is about protest. It echoes in today's world far more than it should, and it will blow your mind.

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1308.637 - 1315.575 Hans Charles

Listen to The A Building on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

1316.888 - 1326.238 Unknown

China's Ministry of State Security is one of the most mysterious and powerful spy agencies in the world. But in 2017, the FBI got inside.

1326.658 - 1330.382 Clayton Echard

This is Special Agent Riegel, Special Agent Bradley Hall.

1330.803 - 1352.204 Unknown

This MSS officer has no idea the U.S. government is on to him. But the FBI has his chats, texts, emails, even his personal diary. Hear how they got it on the Sixth Bureau podcast. I now have several terabytes of an MSS officer, no doubt, no question, of his life. And that's a unicorn.

1353.185 - 1356.77 Hans Charles

No one had ever seen anything like that. It was unbelievable.

Chapter 4: What does 'trapping' mean in the context of this case?

1829.202 - 1832.429 Clayton Echard

So early on, you go, wait, Wait, hold on.

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1832.79 - 1840.645 Amy Robach

Yeah, wait, hold on. Yeah. Speaking of wait, hold on. How did it come back positive, the pregnancy test? And what was your response when you saw it?

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1841.046 - 1868.341 Clayton Echard

Well, it came back positive because if we jump into the details a little bit, there's... you know, she was testing positive. A pregnancy test is testing for HCG. So, you know, it's a pregnancy hormone. So the question then became, you know, is she actually pregnant or is she manipulating HCG levels in her body? And so, you know, we've obviously uncovered what that is now. I guess I'll tease that.

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1869.322 - 1874.728 Clayton Echard

So when people listen, we do figure out how she was able to manipulate those levels

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1875.164 - 1875.665 Amy Robach

Oh, you do?

1875.705 - 1904.673 Clayton Echard

Yeah. So you've gotten an education in science, and this has been a whole... Well, I had to Google a lot of this, because I was trying to uncover any holes in her story, because I was so desperately wanting it to not be true. I thought, well, maybe she did successfully trap me, but So far, she's not giving me any concrete evidence. And what she would send me, I would see pixelation on the images.

1904.753 - 1926.872 Clayton Echard

So it looked like things were photoshopped. And so it was this kind of cat and mouse game of like, how do I get ahead of her and catch her in an act where I can just disprove this right now? But because I wasn't her first victim, you know, she had experience and I didn't. Obviously, this was my first go around in a situation like this. I was, you know, whereas she was on.

1926.852 - 1950.944 Clayton Echard

you know number four uh at least you know where we know she was getting better yeah we know yeah so she was more skilled and she as again as in the podcast it'll show like previous victims she was learning from her own craft and not making the same mistakes so the next time around she wouldn't get caught in the same lies it's like sandra bullock in oceans eight yeah Yeah.

1950.964 - 1953.349 Amy Robach

She's like learning the whole time she's incarcerated.

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