In this moving episode of And Now Love, Cynthia Marks sits down with Dr. Frank Rogers Jr., professor at Claremont School of Theology and co-founder of the Center for Engaged Compassion, to explore the healing power of radical compassion. Frank defines compassion as being genuinely moved by another’s experience in a way that prompts restorative action—and distinguishes it from empathy, which can become draining “empathic distress” if we stay stuck in the wince. He shares unforgettable stories—especially his grandmother caring for a dying, ostracized man during the AIDS crisis—as an example of what compassion looks like when it’s lived. Frank also reveals his own trauma-to-recovery journey as a sexual abuse survivor, and how learning self-compassion transformed inner chaos, shame, and suicidal impulses into a path of restoration. Together, they discuss the threefold rhythm of compassion—grounding in a sacred source, practicing self-compassion, and extending compassion outward—especially in a polarized world. The conversation closes with practical hope: compassion can be practiced in small moments, and dreams/body signals can guide us toward what the soul is asking to heal.

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