Andy Wells
Episodes
Day 180: Make Girls Say "Yes" to Sex with You
11 Feb 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Or "why sex is 80 billion times wilder, kinkier and filthier the more honest and real you are with girls."SHOWNOTES:Honesty is an Ideal You ...
Day 179: What Do You Want, vs What Do You Think You Deserve?
10 Feb 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Is there a disconnect between your goals and what you think is actually possible?SHOWNOTES:The Slight Edge: https://kyil-extra.com/slight-edge/When Yo...
Day 178: My Audience's Goals (And How to Achieve Them) [Part 2 of 2]
09 Feb 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Spreadsheet: https://killyourinnerloser.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/GoalsStated.pngRadical's Vid: youtu.be/S7FXObJVFJcForums: https://killyour...
Day 177: My Audience's Goals (And How to Achieve Them) [Part 1 of 2]
08 Feb 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Spreadsheet: https://killyourinnerloser.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/GoalsStated.pngRadical's Vid: youtu.be/S7FXObJVFJcForums: https://killyour...
Day 176: You Deserve to Be Here.
07 Feb 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Hey you. Listen to this. It's something you need to hear.SHOWNOTES:I Am Always Full of Doubt:https://killyourinnerloser.com/doubt/Imposter Syndro...
Day 175: Why Gratitude is a Cheat Code to Instant Happiness
06 Feb 2021
Contributed by Lukas
How to use gratitude to overcome even the sourest and most hopeless of moods.SHOWNOTES:You Can't Afford the Luxury of a Negative Thought:https://...
Day 174: How to Tell if You're Being Ignored on Tinder
05 Feb 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This is mandatory listening for most of you guys, especially if you've been feeling down about how many girls stop replying to you on Tinder.SHOW...
Day 173: The Bridge is Green So We'll Have a 3some
04 Feb 2021
Contributed by Lukas
A 3some with an inexperienced, shy, but very very sexy fitness chick.🤝 The Abundance Collective (Our affordable coaching community $200/month) - ht...
Day 172: 5 Things Guys Need to Do to Get Laid (According to a Girl)
03 Feb 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Imogen spits straight fire with her 5 things every guy needs to do to be knee-deep in wet gash.🤝 The Abundance Collective (Our affordable coaching ...
Day 171: Locking Down Over ONE New Case, & Why Something is Better than Nothing
02 Feb 2021
Contributed by Lukas
My city locks down because of one new COVID case, and what I'm doing to not get depressed again.🤝 The Abundance Collective (Our affordable coa...
Day 170: "I'm Freaking Out About an Upcoming Date!"
01 Feb 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Self-sabotage, having a winner's mindset, how to be confident on dates and what to do when you're freaking out about a date...SHOWNOTES:My P...
Day 169: Cute Little Fuckers! (Guest Interview with Step)
31 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
I interview entrepreneur Step from Cute Little Fuckers about doing whatever it takes to be successful, overcoming hurdles and rejections life throws a...
Day 168: How to Give Her Rollercoaster Sex
30 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Give her the ride of a lifetime, and have her BEGGING you to come back for more.SHOWNOTES:My Patreon to listen to podcasts a month before everyone els...
Day 167: Equality is Bullshit (A Relationship Will Never Be Equal)
29 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Why equality is the absolute root of all evil, and what I recommend you strive for in a relationship instead.SHOWNOTES:My Patreon:https://patreon.com/...
Day 166: Is it a Double-Standard to Sleep with Other Girls, While Wanting a Monogamous Girlfriend?
28 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
I get asked this question from time to time - "Is there anything wrong with me wanting to sleep with lots of girls, but preferring them to only w...
Day 165: Elite Guys who are Dissatisfied with Their Sex Lives? (Patreon Question)
27 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Is Andy unhappy with the number of truly hot girls he getes?SHOWNOTES:My Patreon:https://patreon.com/killyourinnerloserThe Solution to All Your Proble...
Day 164: Lying is Easier in the Moment, but Harder in the Longterm
26 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Why lying leads to drama, and why honesty leads to easy, carefree, kickass sex.SHOWNOTES:Check out my Patreon for early access to all episodes, ask me...
Day 163: Do an Annual Reflection & Give Yourself Some Damn Credit!
25 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Some of us (including me) absolutely suck at looking back and giving ourselves credit for how far we've come... So let's fix that.SHOWNOTES:...
Day 162: Always be Working on Something if You Don't want to Become Depressed
24 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Having goals you're working towards is the antidote to depression and misery.SHOWNOTES:The Meaning Of Life & How to Be Happy:https://theinner...
Day 161: Getting Over Your Anger Phase, Religion Serves a Purpose, and Why Men & Women are Great
23 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Andy and Imogen have a deep and meaningful about life, religion, men and women, and how to get over your anger phase towards girls.Check out my Patreo...
Day 160: Don't Make Excuses (Stick to the Fucking Plan)
22 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Why it's important you do what you said you were going to do, even when you really don't feel like it.SHOWNOTES:Support me on Patreon + get ...
Day 159: Sharing Resentment/Anger/Frustration, Whilst Still Being on the Same Team
21 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Why you shouldn't bottle up resentment or other negative feelings - and how to express them in a healthy, helpful manner.SHOWNOTES:Coaching with ...
Day 158: My Top 5 Strengths
20 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Carrying on from yesterday's exercise, we're going to list our top 5 strengths.SHOWNOTES:Previous podcast (My Top 5 Flaws):https://www.buzzs...
Day 157: Does "Building Comfort" Matter? (Patreon Question)
19 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Do you need to "build comfort" with girls before having sex with them? (Hint: no, but not for the reason you think).Ed's question was:W...
Day 156: Radical Ideas: My Top 5 Flaws
18 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
I'm a bit of a fuckup, like we all are. Here's my top 5 flaws.SHOWNOTES:Radical's Video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3iQ8nhCBh8Bath...
Day 155: 3 Ways to Live with a Woman and Still Be Productive
17 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
My top 3 techniques for making sure you - and she - absolutely crush your goals without distracting each other when you live together.SHOWNOTES:Bathma...
Day 154: Winner's Mindset vs Loser's Mindset (Female Listener)
16 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Do you have to be perfect in order to have True Love™ ? Is The Red Pill correct that every woman will eventually leave you? Can women find happy mon...
Day 153: Radical Ideas: Go Outside More
15 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Turn off my podcast, get off my website, turn off your computer and go outside. SHOWNOTES:Radical's YouTube video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
Day 152: When Should I Lower or Raise My Standards? (The Ebb & Flow of Standards)
14 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Andy answers the age-old question, as to when you should raise or lower your standards when it comes to girls.SHOWNOTES:Bathmate:https://theinnerwinne...
Day 151: How You Can Encourage Others (Even If You're a Total Newbie)
13 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
How sharing a little bit of encouragement helps you retain girls, build an awesome life for yourself and make the world a better place.SHOWNOTES:Coach...
Day 150: How to Take the Lead Without Being Controlling
12 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
How do you differentiate between taking the lead/being masculine... vs being too controlling?SHOWNOTES:Bathmate:How I Use the Bathmate (Guide)No More ...
Day 149: How to Avoid STDs (Are They as Scary as People Make Out?)
11 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Are STDs something to freak out over - or are the risks overblown?SHOWNOTES:Bathmate:https://theinnerwinnershow.com/bathmateHonest Guide to STDs (by M...
Day 148: What Counter-Strike Can Teach Us About Self-Improvement [Part 3]
10 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Why I love the video game Counter Strike, and the life lessons I've learned from the people who play it. [Part 3]Want to check out Counter Strike...
Day 147: What Counter-Strike Can Teach Us About Self-Improvement [Part 2]
09 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Why I love the video game Counter Strike, and the life lessons I've learned from the people who play it. [Part 2]Want to check out Counter Strike...
Day 146: What Counter-Strike Can Teach Us About Self-Improvement [Part 1]
08 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Why I love the video game Counter Strike, and the life lessons I've learned from the people who play it. [Part 1]Want to check out Counter Strike...
Day 145: Even More Ways to Make Cold Approaches FUN
07 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
My final summary on how to have fun with your approaches.SHOWNOTES:Ask for a number when you run out of things to say:https://www.buzzsprout.com/12793...
Day 144: Use an Online Notebook to Jot Down Ideas & Inspiration
06 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Write ideas down so you can let them go and remain focused on your main mission.SHOWNOTES:Bathmate pump (use my link to support the show):https://thei...
Day 143: Don't Be Average - Don't Accept Society's Blueprint For Your Life
05 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Don't fall into the trap of mindlessly doing what everybody else is doing - go your own way.SHOWNOTES:Article version of this podcast (includes p...
Day 142: Radical Ideas: Change Your Environment
04 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
When you hate where you are or the people around you, do something to fix it.SHOWNOTES:Radical's Original Video/YouTube Channel:https://www.youtu...
Introducing, The Winner’s Club! (Weekly accountability & support)
04 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Want ongoing weekly accountability, direct access to me for advice/motivation/questions, and a community of like-minded guys on the path to kicking as...
Day 141: Should I Cold Approach or Use Tinder?
03 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Should you focus on getting laid in person, or via online dating?SHOWNOTES:Bathmate Pump:https://theinnerwinnershow.com/bathmate/How to Get Laid on Ti...
Day 140: You Are Allowed to Walk Away (Cold Approach)
02 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
If you find yourself starting to hate a lot of the conversations you're having during your cold approaches, I have the antidote.Want coaching wit...
Day 139: Ask EVERY Girl for a Phone Number (Cold Approach)
01 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Yep, you should be asking 100% of the girls you hit on for their phone number; even if the conversation goes horribly.SHOWNOTES:How I Beat My Approach...
Day 138: Even More Questions to Ask Yourself [Part 3/3]
31 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Final round of questions to ask yourself if you want to lead an epic, amazing life.Full article with all the questions written out:https://killyourinn...
Day 137: More Questions to Ask Yourself [Part 2/3]
30 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Full article with all the questions written out:https://killyourinnerloser.com/questions-to-ask-yourself/Even more questions to ask yourself:What are ...
Day 136: Questions to Ask Yourself [Part 1/3]
29 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Full article with all the questions written out:https://killyourinnerloser.com/questions-to-ask-yourself/Questions to ask yourself:Why does Andy (and ...
Day 135: Why Am I Getting Shit Tested?
28 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Hint: If you're getting shit-tested a tonne, it's because you look like absolute trash. No stress; just improve your appearance and keep wor...
Day 134: Stop "Shoulding" Yourself.
27 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Why you should stop saying should. Or not. Do whatever you WANT, not what you think you "should" do.SHOWNOTES:Bathmate pump:https://killyour...
Day 133: Self-Sabotage and Self-fulfilling Prophecies
26 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
YOU are most likely the only thing standing in the way of your own success. So stop fucking it up.SHOWNOTES:You Get What You Subconsciously Believe:ht...
Day 132: Have Fun During Your Approaches
25 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Some easy ways to make approaching/daygame a little more fun, and a little less of a chore.SHOWNOTES:Bathmate:https://theinnerwinnershow.com/bathmate/...
Day 131: Merry Christmas, Plans for My Website/Podcast, a Look Back at 2020
24 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
A retrospective look back at 2020, as well as my plans for my site and podcast going forward. Exciting things to come!SHOWNOTES:Work/Life Balance is B...
Day 130: Couples Shouldn't Blindly Jump into a 3some
23 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Why it's imperative you take a little extra time before getting into a 3some, if you're in a longterm relationship with a committed partner....
Day 129: "Work/Life Balance" Means You Hate Your Job
22 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Why sticking at a job you hate makes you a total piece of shit.SHOWNOTES:If you want coaching from me, I'll kick your ass into gear and force you...
Day 128: Not Drinking on a Date? (Patreon Question)
21 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Andy answers one of his Patreon's questions about how to have a date while on a diet (no alcohol, caffeine or food).SHOWNOTES:Join my Patreon to ...
Day 127: Screening Early vs Screening Later
20 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Should you be really upfront and show girls you want something sexual, or hold back a bit?Want help with screening earlier, or anything else you'...
Day 126: If You Don't Take Yourself Seriously, How Can You Expect Anyone Else to?
19 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
One of the biggest predictors of success is whether or not you take yourself - and your self-improvement - seriously.And if you're ready to take ...
Day 125: Getting Flaked on is Normal
18 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Don't get too hung up on flaking - it's a normal part of the dating game.SHOWNOTES:Bathmate pump:https://theinnerwinnershow.com/bathmateThe ...
Day 124: Dates Aren't Just for Sex - They're for Being More Social
17 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Why you don't have to be "Mr Social Butterfly" before you can go on dates and get laid.SHOWNOTES:Want coaching and for me to kick your ...
Day 123: Part 2 of the Latest Virgin Saga
16 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Following on from yesterday's episode, Andy and Imogen see the virgin girl a second time for more shenanigans.SHOWNOTES:Magic Wand Vibrator:https...
Day 122: Andy & Imogen Don't Pressure a Virgin
15 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Andy and Immy meet a very hot, but very shy virgin girl - and wax lyrical about why "pushing through LMR" is a shitty idea.SHOWNOTES:Magic W...
Day 121: Radical & Andy on Self-Awareness
14 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Andy shares how completely un-selfaware and emotional he was before his self-improvement journey.SHOWNOTES:Radical's fashion/self-improvement blo...
Day 120: Radical & Andy on Simping
13 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Is "simping" an effective strategy? Is there a better way? Radical joins Andy to shoot the shit once again.You need to get your life in orde...
Day 119: My Life Isn't Always Glamorous & Exciting
12 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Why you should be sceptical of pretty much everything you see online.You need to get your life in order and stop fucking about. Hit me up for coaching...
Day 118: It's a Numbers Game, Not a Stats Game
11 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Why counting you "lay ratios" or "date ratios" is doing more harm than good.You need to get your life in order and stop fucking ab...
Day 117: 5 Mistakes Guys Make with Getting Laid
10 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Been making these mistakes yourself? Don't worry, Andy offers a cure too.You need to get your life in order and stop fucking about. Hit me up for...
Day 116: Stop Being Scared of Getting Banned on Tinder
09 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Why some of you need to man the fuck up.You need to get your life in order and stop fucking about. Hit me up for coaching and I'll FORCE you to c...
Day 115: Why I DON'T Recommend Open Relationships to Newbies
08 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Andy gives his thoughts on why open serious relationships aren't recommended if you're not already VERY experienced - and why open CASUAL re...
Day 114: My Audience's Most Helpful Purchases
07 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Andy covers some of the purchases that have helped his readers/listeners.You need to get your life in order and stop fucking about. Hit me up for coac...
Day 113: 12 Facts About Andy You've Never Heard
06 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
I don't drive, I don't eat eggs, I'm in love with Zelda & I think guys who like ass are gay. And that's just the tip of the ic...
Day 112: The Time a Crazy Japanese Mistress Tried to Use My Cum for Evil
05 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
A wild story about a crazy bipolar nutcase.You need to get your life in order and stop fucking about. Hit me up for coaching and I'll FORCE you t...
Day 111: How to Find Dominant Women
04 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Can you find dominant women out in the wild... or is there a better way?SHOWNOTES:Coaching with me:https://killyourinnerloser.com/coachingSex Toys I R...
Day 110: Pussy is Overrated, Let's Go Get Some Dick
03 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Why women have easy access to an ever-flowing on-tap dick supply, why men suck at understanding the female perspective, and why women are horrible at ...
Day 109: How to Make An Honest Woman
02 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Can women have as much raw honesty and integrity as men?Want me to kick your ass into gear and make damn sure you crush your goals? Hit me up for a co...
Day 108: There are 2 Levels of Attraction (Attraction vs Lust)
01 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
If you've never had a girl visibly lust over you and masturbate over you, you're doing self-improvement wrong.Join my Patreon for all sorts ...
Day 107: My Top 5 Most Helpful Purchases
30 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
The purchases that have helped Andy the most.WH-1000XM4 Noise-Cancelling Headphones:http://kyil-extra.com/recommendations#headphonesMagic Wand Vibrato...
Day 106: Try Not Having Sex, and Focus on ONLY Foreplay
29 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Andy's got a killer challenge for you - you are NOT allowed to have sex.SHOWNOTES:Toys I Recommend:https://theinnerwinnershow.com/support/#recomm...
Day 105: Imogen's Getting Laid/Self-Improvement Journey [Part 2]
28 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Andy and Imogen continue answering a Patreon's questions about getting laid - from Imogen's perspective.Want to ask me questions yourself? J...
Day 104: Imogen's Getting Laid/Self-Improvement Journey [Part 1]
27 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Andy and Imogen answer a Patreon's questions about getting laid - from Imogen's perspective.Want to ask me questions yourself? Join my Patre...
Day 103: How Long Should You Have a Date for?
26 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Should you have a 1 hour date, or a 5 hour date? Should you bounce a girl between multiple venues? What about the 2nd and 3rd date?SHOWNOTESTake MASSI...
Day 102: Do You Need to Touch Girls on a Date?
25 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Do you need to "kino" and "escalate" on a girl in public, or can you wait until you're back at your place?SHOWNOTES:What to D...
Day 101: "I'm Worried About Erectile Dysfunction..."
24 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Andy answers a patron's questions about his insecurity around getting it up in the bedroom.Want to ask me your own questions and have me answer t...
Day 100: "I'm Worried About Being Thought of as a Slut" (Winner's Mindset vs Loser's Mindset) (Female Listener)
23 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Andy answers a female listener's questions about insecurity and nervousness around sex, how to be better in the bedroom, whether you should hold ...
Day 99: "Is it necessary to Develop an Attractive Lifestyle if I want to be Successful at Having Sex with Women?"
22 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Do you need to be a cool, social, outgoing, extroverted guy in order to get laid?Wanna ask me questions and have me answer them on podcasts? Come join...
Day 98: Can you Have Sex with Girls who Say "Looking for a relationship" in their Tinder Bio?
21 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
A question for the ages.Want to support the show? https://theinnerwinnershow.com/support🤝 The Abundance Collective (Our affordable coaching communi...
Day 97: How Do I Be More Outcome-Independent?
20 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This question comes up all the damn time. Don't stress; Andy's got you covered.SHOWNOTES:The Solution to All Your Problems: Go Talk to More ...
Day 96: A Typical Day in the Life of a Guy Who Gets Laid
19 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Andy talks about a typical day/week in his life, as well as what life was like for him just 3 years ago.Wanna ask me questions just like Ed did here? ...
Day 95: What Tricks/Shortcuts Have Helped Me Get Laid More?
18 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Andy discusses some of the "cheats" he's used to build a kickass sex life.Wanna ask me questions just like Ed did here? Come join my Pa...
Day 94: Does Andy Disagree with Good Looking Loser? (Yes).
17 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Andy discusses a couple of the issues he has with some of Good Looking Loser's advice.Wanna ask me questions just like Ed did here? Come join my ...
Day 93: 4th 3some in 3 Weeks
16 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Andy and Imogen have some fun with a very small, very adorable Asian girl. Audio quality was a bit echoey towards the last half of this episode; next ...
Day 92: What Kind of Girls do I Like?
15 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Andy continues part 3 of the epic saga of answering all of Ed's questions.Want to ask me your own questions and have me answer them in a podcast?...
Day 91: My Biggest Challenges with Getting Laid
14 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Carrying on from yesterday's podcast, Andy talks about his biggest challenges with getting laid in the beginning.Sign up to my Patreon to ask me ...
Day 90: Did Andy Ever Feel Like Giving Up?
13 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Andy answers a bunch of questions about his biggest struggles and lowest points in his getting laid journey.Sign up for my Patreon to ask me questions...
Day 89: How to Have 3somes with your Girlfriend & Girls SHE Meets from Tinder
12 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Andy and Imogen discuss how you can get your girlfriend (or friends-with-benefits) to set up her Tinder profile and find girls for you two to play wit...
Day 88: Unplanned, Unscripted and Full of Gratitude
11 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
A completely unscripted episode about my self-improvement journey and how I got into coaching (and how I started my blog + this podcast).🤝 The Abun...
Day 87: Andy's Nightmarish Experience Trying Weed (Trip to the Hospital)
10 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
The horror story of my first time trying pot, and ending up in the fucking hospital.Patreon, for kickass extra goodies, early access to episodes and a...
Day 86: Tristan Nigro talks Getting Laid & Long-term Relationships
09 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Tristan Nigro's back for a second round, to discuss his getting laid journey, life with his girlfriend, and going all-in with your goals.Join my ...
Day 84: How to Be Happier as a Younger Man [PART 2/2]
07 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Part 2 of how to be happier in your 20's. (Part 1 was here).Patreon, for kickass extra goodies, early access to episodes and ask me questions and...
Day 83: How to Be Happier as a Younger Man [PART 1/2]
06 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Andy gives his thoughts on a recent article by A Happier Man, on how to be happier in your 20's. (Part 2 is here).Patreon, for kickass extra good...
Day 82: How Often Should I See Girls I'm Dating?
05 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Andy answers one of his Patron's questions about how many times a week you should see the girls you date.Watch this episode on Youtube: https://y...
Day 81: What's it Like Being a Woman?
04 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Andy asks Imogen the tough question: What the hell is it like being a female?Sign up for my Patreon and mention you joined specifically through this e...