Claudia Rowe (on the foster care system)
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What is discussed at the start of this section?
Welcome, welcome, welcome to Armchair Expert, Experts on Expert. I'm Dan Shepard and I'm joined by Lily Padman.
Hi.
Hello. Today we have Claudia Rowe. She is an award-winning journalist and author. Her previous book, which is super interesting, we actually learned a bit about her previous book, The Spider and the Fly, with her intertwinement.
Yeah.
Yeah, with Killer. Killer.
It's that one. Oof, oof, oof.
That is not why we invited her. She has written a book called Wards of the State, The Long Shadow of American Foster Care. As anyone who listens to this show knows, we kind of talk about foster care a lot. This is a real bummer of a situation. And she shines... a very bright light on many of its imperfections, and it's a sobering account of what's going on.
I don't normally do this on here. In fact, I don't know that I ever have, but I would love for people to share this episode.
Yeah.
I think this is a really important episode for people to listen to.
There needs to be like a cultural reckoning around this situation that we're in, and you'll learn all the reasons why. So please enjoy Claudia Rowe.
He's an object spread
Are you in from Washington?
Yes, I came in last night.
Okay, and where do you live in Washington?
Seattle.
In Seattle. Nice.
Do you like it there? I do love Seattle. I am New York native, born and raised and everything, but I've been in Seattle about 22 years.
What brought you there?
I needed to change my life. I needed to leave the East. Okay, great. Ah, that's great.
Under penalty of law?
Yeah.
Desperation of, had to get away. Sure, sure. We can talk about that.
Sure.
Yeah. Oh, we're rolling.
Yeah, yeah. So you're from New York originally. Are we actually rolling?
Yeah, we always roll. Does that scare you? That's fine.
Where in New York are you from?
Upper West Side.
What did mom and dad do?
Mom was a literature professor. Dad was a executive at NBC. Oh, no kidding. Wow. And you didn't want to go into show business? I'm a writer. I've always been.
And does that mean you're more like mom than dad? think I'm a blend in truth more like her but he was NBC news promotion so he's news guy politics guy she's literature writer person yeah that's a marriage of both what you've gone into yeah news and literature this feels like a dreamy parent situation yeah like both are smart clearly industrious accomplished yeah yeah yeah okay so where did you go to school did you go to New York
I went to Trinity High School.
And what about college?
Bennington College. Where's that? Bennington, Vermont. It is a teeny, teeny, teeny college that I think when I was there a thousand million years ago, there were 600 total students and that was a high at the time. Oh, really?
Teeny. Yeah. Liberal art. Why that school?
Bennington was, probably still is, but certainly was kind of create your own major, no grades. We didn't have grades. Pass, fail? Pass, fail. No SATs required, though I took them and gave them and they were fine. But it was a very unconventional, semi-experimental, very free form, make your own. It was an art school. Most people there were art people. I had gone to Trinity University. very traditional, as you might guess.
No, I don't. Is that a private school that is of repute?
Yeah, it's sort of in that New York City private school.
Did you have crazy classmates that went on to rule the world?
I had a classmate and best friend who did become pretty successful out here. I don't know about ruling the world, but she's a successful writer.
Okay, so she's en route to ruling the world.
Are there others?
No, like George Clooney or anything? Not like that. No, Goldman Sachs president's
Probably.
So that makes sense. You were in a very elite, and you're like, I wanted the opposite.
How does Claudia Rowe's background inform her journalism?
I want no structure, no status.
That was my parents.
They pushed for that.
My mom. She knew. Trinity was fine, academically at least, but I think she recognized I needed something different, and I was a more free-form kind of kid. Yeah.
Would I be right to assume that this is some pretty privileged kids that are having some pretty exceptional lives?
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is discussed at the start of this section?
0:00–4:08
2
How does Claudia Rowe's background inform her journalism?
4:08–13:10
3
What challenges does Claudia face while writing about crime and the foster care system?
13:10–26:57
4
How does the foster care system impact the lives of children?
26:57–1:08:35
5
What changes did Claudia observe in the individuals she wrote about?
1:08:35–1:09:06
6
How does Claudia address the failures of the foster care system?
1:09:06–1:10:30
7
What are the statistics surrounding youth aging out of foster care?
1:10:30–1:11:31
8
What recent changes have been made to kinship care policies?
1:11:31–2:10:06