Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
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Welcome, welcome, welcome to Armchair Expert, Experts on Expert. I'm Dan Rather, and I'm joined by Modest Mouse. Hi. Hello. I've been talking about this book quite a bit over the last six months, The World's I See, Curiosity, Exploration, and Discovery at the Dawn of A.I., by Dr. Fei-Fei Li. She is an expert on computer vision, machine learning, and cognitive and computational neuroscience. She is a computer science professor at Stanford University and founding director of Stanford Institute for Human-Centered Artificial Intelligence. So we've had a lot of AI, but I'll say that this, what makes this episode so special is Dr. Fei-Fei Li's personal story is so- It means the fact that people can land in this country, not speaking English, deep into school and fucking pick it all up and then master all these fields.
Become better than everyone.
Oh my God, it's so impressive. Yeah. Oh, I loved her. Please enjoy Dr. Faith Haley. We are presented by Amazon Prime. It's more than just fast, free shipping. Whatever you're into, it's on Prime. So keep listening, keep watching, keep on keeping on to hear more about why we love Prime during the fact check.
This is a very, very sinking...
I know.
We're up to a terrible start.
You want to swap? You want to sit in this chair?
You can.
I feel like I'm going through therapy very soon. Yeah, well, that is the goal. We do want people to feel very relaxed. Too comfortable, really.
Yeah, if the spirit moves you to lay down supine. You're invited to do so.
I might. I woke up so early.
What time did you wake up?
Probably 5.40 something. That's early. Yeah.
What time do you normally rise?
Not that much later. My alarm is 6.20. Okay.
Mine's 6.40. Oh, okay. I'm aspiring. But you know what's funny? Today it was 6.20.
You have kids.
I have kids.
How old are they?
Nine and 11.
Mine is eight and 12. You have eight and 12. Yeah, so we're in the same stage of life.
Boys or girls?
12 is boy, eight is a girl. How about you?
Girl, girl. Yes, I'm so lucky. Although 11 about to be 12, I'm starting to get an inkling of what's coming my way. In a house with three ladies. In fact, yesterday was a very emotional day. I'm barely hanging on.
What happened?
I don't know what's going on with my three ladies, but all of them are in some kind of hormonal turmoil. Interesting. And every variety, which is fun.
Have we started?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're always recording.
We call it ABR, always be recording. Always be recording. Okay, okay.
Okay, so you have 12 and 8, and are they close? They're very close. He's a good big brother? He totally is.
Yeah. He's sweet.
Silvio's your husband, yeah?
Yes.
And does one of them have Silvio's personality and one have yours?
Curls.
Well, you're here because I read your book maybe two months ago. I was having dinner with Ashton Kutcher. Do you know who that actor is?
Yes. He just texted me last night. He's like, you're seeing my friend, Dax. Oh, good.
Yeah. So we were at dinner and we were just chatting about people we thought were really interesting. And then he asked me if I had read your book and I hadn't. I went into it thinking I would get a history lesson on AI, which I did. And a very thorough one. But I would not have invited you for that. Your life story is so interesting and beautiful and the way you write about it. You're an incredible writer.
Thank you. I do want to give credit to my friend, Alex, who co-wrote the book with me.
Okay, that's very big of you. Who's Alex?
Alex is a friend of mine. He does not claim to be a writer, but he's a very talented writer. And we've known each other for years, and he loves AI, and we talk about it. So when I was invited to write this book, I do feel like I want Alex to co-create this with me. So we became a creative team. It was a really fun process.
How do you know Alex?
I know Alex through TED. 2015, I gave my first TED Talk.
I watched it.
Yeah, thank you.
Yeah, yeah, about image, how hard it is for a computer to see.
Yes, and that's how I got to know Alex.
Because he worked with Ted in some capacity?
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