Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
Welcome, welcome, welcome to Armchair Expert, experts on expert. I'm Dak Shepard and I'm joined by Monica Padman. Hi. And today we have returning primatologist Tara Stoinski. She is the CEO and chief scientific officer of the Diane Fossey Gorilla Fund. And she worked closely on this incredible documentary that I saw, really importantly by the director of My Octopus Teacher.
Yeah.
And Chimp Empire.
Yeah.
Maybe my favorite animal doc I've ever seen. And this new documentary is called A Gorilla Story. And there's the most insane footage in it. What they captured over these couple years they were filming is incredible. It's so good. She's so knowledgeable. And, you know, these are highly endangered, beautiful treasures on planet Earth.
So if you're inclined, please go to the Diane Fossey Gorilla Fund and support that. Please enjoy Tara Stoinski.
He's an armchair expert How are you? Good. Hi, Monica. Nice to meet you. In person. Yes, in person.
Hi, welcome. Thank you so much.
Yes.
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Chapter 2: How did Tara Stoinski become involved in the documentary 'A Gorilla Story'?
I'm from outside Philly, but I've been in Atlanta for 30 plus years.
You sound like Monica's mom. Really? Yes. You don't hear it?
Oh my God, I don't hear it.
You gotta listen for it.
I got some combination of like the Philly, Atlanta accent or something. Oh my gosh. I don't hear it at all. But you know, you can't like hear your mom. No. Your mom's just a mom.
Your mom's not an entity. She's just, yeah, yeah.
You can't even hear yourself. I can remember back in the days of answering machines.
Yes.
One time, like, playing an answering machine, and there was this person like, hey. It was, like, for my husband, boyfriend at the time probably. And they're like, hey, honey, how you doing? Wondering what you're doing later. I'm like, who is this woman calling ahead with me?
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Chapter 3: What is the significance of gorilla social structures?
May I suggest?
That's great tuition.
She got into Georgia, which we were thrilled about. It's so fun. Got into tech. Less fun. Yeah. Yeah.
Better school? Probably considered better.
Through science-y.
In certain areas.
Like engineering. Mainly engineering. I'm a tech grad, so I have to go for tech. But she, from the start, has been like, I really want to go out of state. With our whole family being from the Northeast. So I don't think she's going to end up in Northeastern. Okay, well.
Well, good for her.
She's a homebody, too. She's going to end up back there. So we'll see.
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Chapter 4: How do early life experiences affect gorilla behavior?
We have a lot of superstitions in our house. Like we dress our dogs for all the Eagles games. They wear Eagles gear. And then if they're not winning, they have to switch jerseys. It's fun to care. Yeah, it is.
You have several alma maters. I do. Yeah, which are they?
So I did my undergrad degree at Tufts University in Boston, did a master's in biology at University of Oxford in England, and then did my PhD at Georgia Tech.
You're not even pushing for that, even though you... I don't think it's the right school for her.
She's not interested in science. And the other thing is her three closest friends are all going there. And I'm really proud of her. She really kind of wants to break out and do something new. And that's been something she's been saying for a couple years. So, I mean, I would love her to go to Tech. It's two miles from my house. I told her, I'm like, I never go to Tech's campus.
I'm not going to come and bug you, but you can come home if you want. You can visit the dogs. But I'm very proud of her for wanting to go off and have some independence.
Tech is in the city. It's not...
Tell me more.
It's in the city. If she wants to have best of both worlds, she can just go to Athens. She's an hour away and some change. I know. And it's so fun.
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Chapter 5: What unique insights do gorillas provide about human society?
That is what I think is amazing about human society because that could never happen with gorillas. It could never happen with chimps.
Never happen with chimps. Yeah, we're not the same. I think sometimes you can look at it as like we are animals.
Chapter 6: How do gorillas and chimps differ in social structures?
Well, we are.
We come from animals, but we're humans. We're not the exact same.
We're not. And we have all kinds of tools in our culture to overcome our deficits that no longer serve us. But the point is, I don't say, hey, you got to acknowledge boys are this real thing to excuse it.
I say, hey, they have an uphill battle that's going to go wrong if we don't have a great game plan because they've inherited 65 million years of primate evolution, 6 million years of ape evolution, 3 million years of hominid evolution. It didn't go away 3,000 years ago. That's a reality.
So it's like I'm not saying boys should be able to act any way they want because they were designed to be this way. But I'm saying we need a fucking game plan for them. whether it's sports or it's this or it's that, they're built to do this thing. And if we just think it evaporated because we have silverware, it's very naive and we need a game plan.
Well, it's funny because Rob and I were just talking before you guys came in and he was saying he has two boys and I was just on spring break with friends of mine that have young men. And it's just so interesting.
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Chapter 7: What role does tourism play in gorilla conservation?
They're so different. They are always moving. They're always active. They're always eating. It's so completely different than having girls. And I think that's some of the points that Scott Galloway has made. And I know he's been on your show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What is the... Yeah, especially now as more and more people are interacting more with screens and not with people.
How are the older men in our society going to step up and be mentors to these younger men and help teach them the societal rules and norms that it's very easy now for you to get lost in a virtual world or an online world that takes you down a different path?
Yes. Or I'm reading a book right now for a guest we have on Wednesday. It's about this kid who goes astray in London and he's got classmates that are sons of oligarchs in London. So they have great wealth and he becomes obsessed with wealth.
Chapter 8: How can understanding gorilla behavior inform human social dynamics?
And these boys that are obsessed with the manosphere, like what you're seeing in the simplest way is young males think they've found a way to have females. I mean, it's really that simple at its core is, oh, that's a strategy. I see the video and there's a bunch of beautiful girls around this guy and he's got muscles and a Ferrari. That's the thing. Or this guy's at the nightclub.
It's still about mates. It's never not going to be about mates.
It's also about, they say it in that doc, like money. So much of it is about money.
But what's the point of the money when you're 15, 16, 17? It's really all to have the girl in the bikini next to you. Like it is the currency. Currently, it would have been Great meat. So I have meat to share with the group and I'm going to elevate my status and gain access reproductively. There's always been things or I'm going to protect everyone. And that's going to be my route.
In absence of these things that have gone away, now it's like, I don't know if you're a young male, what is it? I guess it's money or I guess it's a car or I guess it's this or it's that. And we can't just go, no, you got to not be that way. We have to have a solution for how they're supposed to get mates. That's not that disgusting thing none of us want. Yeah.
Yeah, probably calling them like bitches and sluts is like not the way. They're giving them horrible advice.
They're giving them horrible advice and it's a two-way street. They are with women. So that's a reality. Like you might dismiss those women that have chosen to be around those guys, but the 13-year-old boy doesn't know that you think those women have low priorities. He's seeing them with women. What do we do about that? That's the two-way street of it all.
But they're degrading them. They're like, I would never actually date someone like that. Or if you were my daughter, I would disown you. These are the things.
Monica, it's disgusting. So no pushback.
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