Artelligence Podcast

Dane Jensen on Art Advising in Los Angeles and the Ernie Barnes Market

13 Jun 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Dane Jensen just opened his own art advisory firm in Los Angeles. He has worked in the art and auction industry as a curator, auction house specialist...

Sotheby's David Galperin on Finding the Next Big Name

02 Jun 2023

Contributed by Lukas

In this podcast, David Galperin, Sotheby’s Head of Contemporary Art for the Americas talks about the success of Justin Caguiat’s work in last mont...

Art and Fashion Converge with FIT's Natasha Degen

26 May 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Natasha Degen is the chair of the graduate program in art market studies at FIT in New York. She has just published a book called Merchants of Style, ...

Mo Ostin Collection; Press family collection, Basquiat, Rousseau & NY HIghlights, May 2023

09 May 2023

Contributed by Lukas

The New York auctions begin this week with just over 2000 lots on offer. The combined low estimate is nearly $1.37 billion dollars. If we remove the A...

The Gerald Fineberg Collection with Christie's Sara Friedlander

05 May 2023

Contributed by Lukas

When the $270 million dollar Gerald Fineberg collection was announced, Christie’s Sara Friedlander remarked that the Boston real estate developer, “...

S.I. Newhouse: Portrait of a Collector

02 May 2023

Contributed by Lukas

S.I. Newhouse Jr. was a titan of the media business in the late 20th Century, presiding over Conde Nast but also owning with his brother Donald Advanc...

The Global Auction Calendar with Phillips CEO Stephen Brooks

25 Apr 2023

Contributed by Lukas

The global auction and art fair calendar hardly seems like the fascinating subject that it really is. The art world still operates on a schedule large...

Cecily Brown: Hugo Nathan on the Artist and Her Market

13 Apr 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Cecily Brown has been a prominent painter for more than a quarter century. But starting in the last 5 years, her importance in the art market has grow...

CJ Hendry: The Artist as Impresario

06 Apr 2023

Contributed by Lukas

CJ Hendry is an artist “of sorts,” she says. She’s an Instagram phenom, an entrepreneur, a copyright provocateur and an impresario. Last year s...

The Exploding Editions Market with Phillips Robert Kennan

29 Mar 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Editions, or the sales of prints and multiple works, is an auction category that is rarely discussed. For many artists, editioned work is a significan...

Understanding Kenneth Noland: The artist's son, Bill Noland, & the estate's advisors

24 Mar 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Innovation is so important to Kenneth Noland's practice, says Pace Gallery's Alex Brown in this podcast. This month, Pace brings a show of Noland's St...

New York's March Sales with Christie's Sara Friedlander and LiveArt's George O'Dell

17 Mar 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Sara Friedlander, a deputy Chairman at Christie’s who styles herself and “art merchant,” joins LiveArt’s George O’Dell to discuss the first ...

Understanding Philip Guston Now: The National Gallery's Harry Cooper; Collector Claude Reich

10 Mar 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Philip Guston Now is the biggest international retrospective of the artist's work in a generation. It's debut at the National Gallery of Art in Washin...

London Winter Sales Preview: Kandinsky, Munch, Magritte, Richter, Picasso, de Kooning and much more

24 Feb 2023

Contributed by Lukas

The art market has been holding its breath for nearly three months. How will the global economy affect the art market in 2023? With the important Lond...

Art Basel CEO Noah Horowitz on the Fair's Future

20 Feb 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Noah Horowitz returned to Art Basel as CEO after a year and a half away at Sotheby's. In his new role, which is also a new role for the company, Horow...

Eleanor Acquavella on Wayne Thiebaud and the Fondation Beyeler show

07 Feb 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Acquavella Gallery has represented the artist Wayne Thiebaud since 2011. The artist, who died on Christmas day in 2021 at the age of 101 was serious a...

The Rome-New York Connection in High Modernism: David Leiber's Show at David Zwirner Gallery

26 Jan 2023

Contributed by Lukas

One of the clear trends visible in last year’s auction data is a renewed interest in abstract painting. Bidders are pursuing a range of overlooked a...

LiveArt's Hot List for 2023

17 Jan 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Who are the hottest artists at auction in 2022 whose markets are likely to continue to rise in 2023? George O'Dell talks us through the trends that em...

Gagosian's Laura Paulson on Managing the Big Collections for Sale

23 Dec 2022

Contributed by Lukas

Laura Paulson is Principal at Gagosian Art Advisory where she has recently advised on the sale of David M. Solinger's collection which featured the mu...

LiveArt's Market Pulse for Nov 22, 2022: Sotheby's Kelsey Leonard & Lucius Elliott

25 Nov 2022

Contributed by Lukas

Lucius Elliott and Kelsey Leonard go through some of the sales trends in the November auctions with LiveArt's George O'Dell. David Hockney, new market...

LiveArt's Market Pulse for November 18, 2022: Lock Kresler Assesses the Market

22 Nov 2022

Contributed by Lukas

Lock Kresler is a Senior Director at Helly Nahmad Gallery in London. He's deeply involved in the private market but also spent a decade working at Chr...

LiveArt Market Pulse for November 8, 2022: Day Sale Focus

11 Nov 2022

Contributed by Lukas

The Day sales are where the art market does its business. These marathon marts are where dealers, art advisors and the occasional brave collector chas...

Lynne Drexler's Extraordinary Year: Christine Berry, Sukanya Rajaratnam and Julian Ehrlich Explain

08 Nov 2022

Contributed by Lukas

In 2022, artist Lynne Drexler's work exploded on the art market. An artist who had briefly shown in the early 1960s in New York, she continued to work...

LiveArt's Market Pulse for Nov 2: Paul Allen, Alex Katz and the Surprise of Boetti

04 Nov 2022

Contributed by Lukas

LiveArt's sales team discussed the Paul Allen collection at Christie's, Alex Katz's market in light of his retrospective at the Guggenheim Museum, and...

The Billion-Dollar Paul G. Allen Collection at Christie's with Marc Porter and Max Carter

01 Nov 2022

Contributed by Lukas

Christie's Chairman Marc Porter talks about Paul Allen as a collector and the role philanthropy now plays in the sale of the major art collections of ...

LiveArt Market Pulse for Oct 24, 2022: Paris Plus, Mitchell/Monet & Alice Baber

25 Oct 2022

Contributed by Lukas

LiveArt's George O'Dell and Sophie Coco discuss the mood in the market. George is just back from Paris Plus, the new Art Basel fair in Paris. He gives...

James Sevier Takes Stock of Frieze Week in London

18 Oct 2022

Contributed by Lukas

Fresh off Sotheby's strongest Frieze-week sales ever, James Sevier discusses the state of the Contemporary art market. London was filled with eager bu...

LiveArt's Market Pulse for October 10, 2022

11 Oct 2022

Contributed by Lukas

LiveArt's sales team of George O'Dell, Adam Rutledge, Sophie Coco and Arina Novak discuss Sotheby's Hong Kong Contemporary art sale where $81m in art ...

Isa Lorenzo & Rachel Rillo Launch Manila Gallery Silverlens in New York

07 Oct 2022

Contributed by Lukas

Isa Lorenzo founded Silverlens Galleries in Manila in 2004. She was joined three years later by co-Director Rachel Rillo. Together they built an innov...

LiveArt's Market Pulse for October 3, 2022

04 Oct 2022

Contributed by Lukas

George O'Dell, Sophie Coco and Arina Novak discuss the results from New York's mid-season Fall sale opening auctions. With $69 million in art sold at ...

LiveArt's Market Pulse for September 21, 2022

27 Sep 2022

Contributed by Lukas

The New York Mid-Season sales are upon us and the art market is eager to see what prices will be paid for a wide range of artists. There are many new ...

Jonathan Crockett on Phillips's Strength in Asia

23 Sep 2022

Contributed by Lukas

Phillips Chairman, Asia, Jonathan Crockett talks about the challenges of selling art in Hong Kong over the past few years. As the auction house moves ...

LiveArt's Market Pulse for September 16, 2022

20 Sep 2022

Contributed by Lukas

LiveArt's George O'Dell and Arina Novak discuss the Independent and Armory Show art fairs in New York; strong auction performances for Lynne Mapp Drex...

Devang Thakkar Leads Christie's into the Future of Technology

16 Sep 2022

Contributed by Lukas

After a career at Microsoft and Artsy, Devang Thakkar has combined his interest in art and the art market (he did graduate work on art pricing) with h...

LiveArt's Market Pulse: September 7, 2022

13 Sep 2022

Contributed by Lukas

LiveArt's sales team led by George O'Dell, Sophie Coco and Arina Novak discuss the week's most important events effecting the Contemporary art market....

LiveArt's Hot List for Spring 2022, Part 2

03 Aug 2022

Contributed by Lukas

This is LiveArt's Hot List for the second quarter of 2022. Using our comprehensive data, we looked at the sales in April, May and June in London, New ...

LiveArt's Hot List for Spring 2022, Part 1

27 Jul 2022

Contributed by Lukas

This is LiveArt's Hot List for the second quarter of 2022. Using our comprehensive data, we looked at the sales in April, May and June in London, New ...

Erick Calderon's Chromie Squiggle Conquers Basel

20 Jul 2022

Contributed by Lukas

Erick Calderon is the founder and CEO of Artblocks, a generative art platform that produces NFTs. Generative digital art projects rely on a set of rul...

Magnus Resch Answers Artists Questions About NFTs

06 Jul 2022

Contributed by Lukas

Magnus Resch is a serial entrepreneur. He built companies in Europe before starting his first art business in Hong Kong. Then he built the Magnus app ...

Hilton Als: Discovering Frank Walter and Finding New Ways to Present Literature and Art

29 Jun 2022

Contributed by Lukas

Frank Walter’s rarely seen work is being exhibited at David Zwirner Gallery on the Upper East Side of Manhattan until July 29th. He was an agricultu...

William O'Reilly: The Thrill of Collecting Old Masters

22 Jun 2022

Contributed by Lukas

TEFAF Maastricht, the mother of all art fairs encompassing 7,000 years of art history, normally runs for multiple weeks in March. This week it re-open...

Nate Freeman: Covering the Art World as Beau Monde

15 Jun 2022

Contributed by Lukas

Nate Freeman writes a weekly art column for Vanity Fair. He made the evolution from art world reporter for ARTnews, Artsy and Artnet to writing a week...

Gabriela Palmieri: How Collectors Navigate the Competitive Market for Emerging Artists

01 Jun 2022

Contributed by Lukas

In her 17-year career at Sotheby’s, Gabriela Palmieri presided over the most valuable Contemporary art day sale ever held. She was involved in the s...

Andrew Fabricant Takes Gagosian Gallery into the Future

25 May 2022

Contributed by Lukas

Andrew Fabricant became Chief Operating Officer of Gagosian Gallery a year before the global pandemic radically transformed the business of dealing ar...

Good Times: Bill Perkins Explains Why He Bought Ernie Barnes's The Sugar Shack for $15 million

18 May 2022

Contributed by Lukas

The May week of sales began with Andy Warhol's $195 million Shot Sage Blue Marilyn. That was the work everybody expected to be the most talked about l...

Rachel Hagopian Explains Private Sales on LiveArt Market

11 May 2022

Contributed by Lukas

LiveArt Market's Managing Director Rachel Hagopian discusses the approaching launch of LiveArt's exchange, The Trading Floor, where buyers and seller'...

Christie's May Sale Preview: Warhol's Marilyn ; Anne Bass's Rothkos, Degas & Monets; and More

04 May 2022

Contributed by Lukas

May is the biggest auction season of the year. It opens with a huge set of sales at Christie’s. In this podcast, we’ll speak with Christie’s C...

Phillips May Sale Preview: Basquiat's Devil, Calder's Snow Flurry, Kusama's Infinity Net

27 Apr 2022

Contributed by Lukas

Phillips Auction house has a reputation for creating markets for artists who don’t have a track record. Over the last several years, the house has g...

Brooke Lampley on the $676 Million Macklowe Sale—and This Season's Follow Up

20 Apr 2022

Contributed by Lukas

The sale of Harry and Linda Macklowe’s art collection was one of the most anticipated events of 2021. The first part of the two-part sale was held i...

Julian Ehrlich: Reading the Postwar to Present Market

13 Apr 2022

Contributed by Lukas

Julian Ehrlich is the head of Christie's Post-war to Present sale. In today's market where artists are regularly bid high above their estimates, the m...

LiveArt's Hot List for Winter 2022 with George O'Dell

06 Apr 2022

Contributed by Lukas

It’s the end of the first quarter in the art market. That gives us a good opportunity to assess the momentum for a number of artists whose work has ...

Austin Lee Shares His Feelings

30 Mar 2022

Contributed by Lukas

Austin Lee’s second show at Jeffrey Deitch, Like It Is, is on view through April 23, 2022. Lee’s painting process is unique. He initially mocks u...

Nigel Freeman: Building the Auction Market for African-American Art

23 Mar 2022

Contributed by Lukas

African American artists and artists of the African diaspora have been getting a great deal of attention from the art world for the last five years. B...

Bethany Collins: Art from an Enduring Melody

16 Mar 2022

Contributed by Lukas

Bethany Collins has a new show, Cadence, at PATRON gallery in Chicago where she presents work that explores the political and social evolution of thre...

Jacky Ho Explains the Market in Hong Kong and China

09 Mar 2022

Contributed by Lukas

Jacky Ho is Christie's Head of Evening sale for the Hong Kong auctions. In this podcast, he discusses the growth of these sales into perhaps the most ...

Johann Konig: The Gallerist as Entrepreneur

02 Mar 2022

Contributed by Lukas

Johann König is one of Europe’s most entrepreneurial art dealers. He started his gallery in Berlin at 20 years old. Now, 20 years later, he has gro...

Magritte, Monet, Bacon, Freud & Picasso—Preview London's 2022 Winter Auctions

23 Feb 2022

Contributed by Lukas

In this London 2022 Winter auction preview, we speak to Helen Newman at Sotheby's, who will tell us about their $60 million Magritte, half a dozen Mo...

Sonya Roth is Bullish on Los Angeles

16 Feb 2022

Contributed by Lukas

Sonya Roth has been a prominent Los Angeles collector for two decades. Originally a criminal prosecutor, she was an early champion of the current gene...

Inside LiveArt & Our View of the Current Market

09 Feb 2022

Contributed by Lukas

LiveArt is a platform for providing transparency to the art market. Our app gives users access to live auctions, historical price data for artists’ ...

Antwaun Sargent Gets Ready for Another Big Year

02 Feb 2022

Contributed by Lukas

Antwaun Sargent became a director at Gagosian gallery in 2021 after a decade as a writer and curator, most notably of the book and now exhibition "The...

How Esther Kim Varet Discovered Her Background Was an Asset

26 Jan 2022

Contributed by Lukas

Esther Kim Varet founded her gallery Various Small Fires as project space in her Los Angeles home. It has since grown to have a location in Seoul, Kor...

Sukanya Rajaratnam Redefines the Canon at Mnuchin Gallery

19 Jan 2022

Contributed by Lukas

A partner at Mnuchin Gallery since 2013, Sukanya Rajaratnam has played an important role in connecting some of the world’s most respected collectors...

Sotheby's Mari-Claudia Jiménez Looks Ahead

12 Jan 2022

Contributed by Lukas

Mari-Claudia Jiménez is Chairman, Managing Director & Worldwide Head Business Development Global Fine Arts, Sotheby’s. In this podcast, she connect...

Sharon Hayes Speaks About Her Work Bringing Queer Feminist Archives to Life

03 Oct 2021

Contributed by Lukas

In this episode, we hear from artist Sharon Hayes, who is currently exhibiting her work, My Little Corner of the World, Anyone Would Love You at the P...

Exploring the Dirty South with VMFA's Valerie Cassel Oliver

02 Oct 2021

Contributed by Lukas

Valerie Cassel Oliver discusses her latest trailblazing exhibition at the Virginia Museum of Fine Arts, “The Dirty South: Contemporary Art, Material...

Phillips Enters a New Era with CEO Edward Dolman

01 Oct 2021

Contributed by Lukas

Even as it adapted to changing market conditions imposed by the pandemic, Phillips gained ground in auction totals, global reach, and the number of hi...

New Talent with Antwaun Sargent

30 Sep 2021

Contributed by Lukas

Art writer, curator, fashion figure and man about town, Antwaun Sargent discusses the May/June 2021 issue of Art in America which focuses on New Talen...

Robert Mnuchin's Legendary Career

30 Mar 2021

Contributed by Lukas

Robert Mnuchin, a retired banker who became an art dealer, reflects on his career as an organizer of insightful and original exhibitions. In an era wh...

Artsy CEO Mike Steib Thrives in Lockdown

04 Mar 2021

Contributed by Lukas

Artsy CEO Mike Steib joined the platform for galleries and collectors only eight months before Covid-19 shut down the global art market. The pandemic ...

Hong Kong Saves the Art Market: Auction Reaction with Koji Inoue and Kim Heirston

16 Feb 2021

Contributed by Lukas

The 2020 auction season—a wild ride of improvised sales amid strong but elusive demand—closed out with Asia driving the market for a wide range of...

Christie's Faces the New Reality with CEO Guillaume Cerutti

27 Jan 2021

Contributed by Lukas

Following a year in uncharted territory, Christie’s CEO Guillaume Cerutti takes stock of his company’s performance and ventures a look ahead to th...

Made You Look, Barry Avrich's New Documentary About the Knoedler Forgeries

08 Jun 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Barry Avrich is a prolific documentary film producer. In 2017, he released "Blurred Lines" about the Contemporary art market. Avrich's latest project,...

Buying, Selling and Financing Art from Quarantine with Bill Griffin, Cynthia Sachs and Naomi Baigell

13 May 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Bill Griffin of Los Angeles's Kayne Griffin Corcoran gallery joins Cynthia Sachs and Naomi Baigell of Athena Art Finance to discuss the current state ...

KASMIN Director Nick Olney on Paul Kasmin, painter William Copley and California Surrealism

23 Apr 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Nick Olney, Director at KASMIN Gallery, discusses the life and legacy of Paul Kasmin, the gallery's founder who died in March 2020. Olney illustrates ...

Michael Weisz on Art Lending for Collectors and Investors: Yieldstreet at The Armory Show

06 Apr 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Continuing ARTnews's collaboration with Yieldstreet for the Armory Show fair in New York, Michael Weisz talks about bringing liquidity to art collecto...

Tina Perry and Ric Whitney Discuss Their Art Collecting with ARTnews Editor in Chief Sarah Douglas

03 Mar 2020

Contributed by Lukas

To kick off the second Frieze LA art fair, ARTnews Editor-in-Chief Sarah Douglas interviewed Los Angeles collectors Ric Whitney and Tina Perry-Whitney...

"The Point of Final Collapse": Brian Droitcour Interviews Postcommodity's Cristobal Martinez

27 Jan 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Postcommodity's The Point of Final Collapse is a sound piece broadcast from San Francisco Art Instititute's Chestnut Street campus every day at 5:01pm...

Painter Diarmuid Kelley Interviewed by Art in America's Will Smith

20 Dec 2019

Contributed by Lukas

Art in America's Editor Will Smith interviewed Diarmuid Kelley at Offer Waterman's pop-up gallery on Madison Avenue in New York during the November 20...

Pamela Joyner and Sarah Douglas at the CORE Club

05 Dec 2019

Contributed by Lukas

Pamela Joyner's collection of abstract art by African-American artists includes some of the giants of the field like Alma Thomas, Jack Whitten and Sam...

Adam Lindemann on Buying and Selling at Auction

13 Nov 2019

Contributed by Lukas

Adam Lindemann regales Sarah Douglas, Editor-in-Chief of ARTnews, with his stories and adventures on the art auction market. Lindemann explains the st...

Fantasy Art Collecting Tips from Christie's Johanna Flaum

07 Nov 2019

Contributed by Lukas

AMM Fantasy Art Collecting game is live now for the November auctions. Entries will be accepted until 9pm on Nov 10th at fantasy.artmarketmonitor.com....

Sean Kelly Collect Wisely

17 Oct 2019

Contributed by Lukas

This podcast is a partnership with Sean Kelly Gallery to promote their Collect Wisely program which is a series of podcasts in which Sean Kelly interv...

Art in America's Editor in Chief William Smith at CORE Club

16 Sep 2019

Contributed by Lukas

Art in America's Editor in Chief, William Smith, talks about the redesigned magazine, the launch of two newsletters—one featuring a daily review fro...

Phillips's Deputy Chairman Jean-Paul Engelen

13 May 2019

Contributed by Lukas

Jean-Paul Engelen discusses Phillips's position in the new global auction marketplace, its recent additions of highly experienced specialists in Impre...

To Repel Ghosts: Jean-Michel Basquiat's Self Portrait from the Collection of Matt Dike

02 May 2019

Contributed by Lukas

In this podcast made in collaboration with Phillips, Scott Nussbaum, head of 20th Century and Contemporary Art at Phillips, New York and Fred Hoffman,...

Christie's Education Panel: Selling Art in the Digital Age

14 Feb 2019

Contributed by Lukas

Vivian Brodie, Christie's Head of Mid-Season and Online sales; Elena Soboleva, Director of Online Sales, David Zwirner; and Sam Orlofsky, Director, Ga...

Who Was Henry Geldzahler?--A Conversation with Randall Bourscheidt

04 Feb 2019

Contributed by Lukas

On Thursday 7 February, Randall Bourscheidt and Vincent Fremont will join Peter Brant and Gary Tinterow in a panel discussion about Henry Geldzahler a...

Asher Edelman on Auction Guarantees and Art Market Liquidity

10 Dec 2018

Contributed by Lukas

Asher Edelman has a long history participating in the art market and as a transformative player on Wall Street. From his perspective as an investor, a...

David Norman on Nov 2018 NY Impressionist and Modern art sales

05 Dec 2018

Contributed by Lukas

David Norman discusses the November Impressionist and Modern sales in New York. In particular, Norman looks at the Picasso and Monet markets, the part...

Hugues Joffre, Senior Advisor to the CEO of Phillips

08 Nov 2018

Contributed by Lukas

Three years ago, after a career at Christie's and as a private advisor, Hugues Joffre took over the task of establishing a Modern art department withi...

Magnus Renfrew on Taipei Dangdai

29 Oct 2018

Contributed by Lukas

Magnus Renfrew launches his new fair Taipei Dangdai in Taiwan on January 18, 2019. The fair features 90 galleries from Asia, Europe and North America....

Jim Carona of Heather James Gallery

02 Aug 2018

Contributed by Lukas

Since its founding in Palm Desert, California, Heather James Gallery has carved a particular niche in the art market catering to wealthy residents of ...

Megan Fox Kelly, Todd Levin and William O'Reilly on Giving Advice in the Global Art Market

16 Jul 2018

Contributed by Lukas

As part of an international program to celebrate the gallery’s 25th Anniversary, Dickinson held a panel discussion at their New York space during Sp...

Christie's Art + Tech Summit with Elliot Safra

06 Jul 2018

Contributed by Lukas

Elliot Safra describes Christie's Art + Tech Summit taking place on July 17th in London. The full-day conference will explore the many hoped for uses ...

Bloomberg's James Tarmy on Art Basel 2018

27 Jun 2018

Contributed by Lukas

Bloomberg art market reporter James Tarmy spent the better part of a week swimming in the aisles of Art Basel in Switzerland, the world's premier art ...

Thaddaeus Ropac

11 Jun 2018

Contributed by Lukas

Thaddaeus Ropac opened his first gallery in Salzburg, Austria after having met and been inspired by Joseph Beuys in Berlin and having become acquainte...

David Norman on Rockefeller & NY Imp-Mod, May 2018

05 Jun 2018

Contributed by Lukas

David Norman applies his 30+ years experience in the Impressionist and Modern category to the results from this May's sales in New York where $1.5bn i...

Marc Porter: Behind the Scenes at the Rockefeller Sale

03 Apr 2018

Contributed by Lukas

The Peggy and David Rockefeller collection is likely to be the most valuable single-owner sale in history. The great breadth of the Rockefeller collec...

Lock Kresler on Lévy Gorvy's Source and Stimulus

19 Mar 2018

Contributed by Lukas

Lock Kresler discusses Lévy Gorvy's exhibition, 'Source and Stimulus' open until April 21, 2018 at 22 Old Bond St in London. The show features a seri...

James Tarmy on Contemporary Artists and Their Markets

29 Jan 2018

Contributed by Lukas

Bloomberg's art market reporter, James Tarmy, discusses the unexpected corners of the Contemporary art market by looking at six different artists and ...