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Dr. Robert Epstein: How Big Tech’s Weaponized AI Is Flipping Elections & Manipulating Your Mind w/ Dr. Paul Alexander – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 457
Fri, 21 Feb 2025
“Google has made themselves Sheriff of the internet,” says Dr. Robert Epstein, an expert on Internet manipulation. “It could break humanity.” Dr. Robert Epstein is a Senior Research Psychologist at the American Institute for Behavioral Research and Technology and former editor-in-chief of Psychology Today. A Harvard Ph.D., he has testified before Congress on internet manipulation and developed the first nationwide system for analyzing Big Tech’s personalized content. He founded the Loebner Prize Competition in AI and has authored 15 books, including ‘Parsing the Turing Test.’ Find more at https://x.com/DrREpstein Dr. Paul Alexander is an epidemiologist and former WHO Consultant specializing in evidence-based medicine and research methodology. He served as Senior Advisor to the US Department of HHS for COVID-19 response in 2020. Dr. Alexander holds a PhD from McMaster University, master’s degrees from Oxford University and University of Toronto, and bioterrorism/biowarfare training from Johns Hopkins. He is the author of “Presidential Takedown” and a contributor at Brownstone Institute. Find more at https://drpaulalexander.com and https://palexander.substack.com 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at https://drdrew.com/fatty15 • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Chapter 1: What insights does Dr. Robert Epstein offer about Big Tech's influence?
A lot to get into today, including the tech overlords and the surveillance email system, the surveillance state. Excuse me. What is AI going to mean to all of us? Dr. Robert Epstein is here to discuss. He's a Harvard-trained psychologist. We are going to get into a lot of stuff today. I'm very interested in looking back over the last few years a little bit and getting a psychologist perspective.
perspective. I'll give you the particulars on Dr. Epstein in a minute. He's got an impeccable pedigree, and we'll discuss that. And of course, Dr. Paul Alexander joins us as well. Dr. Alexander, you know well. He's an epidemiologist, former World Health Organization consultant. He has an extraordinary track record in of training.
And he was there when all the crazy things were going down and ridiculous things were invented. And you just heard a little tape of he and I predicting the future, strangely enough. So we'll get to all of this in just a minute. Stay with us. Our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and bizarre. The psychopath started this.
He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction, fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous. I'm a doctor. Where the hell do you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time.
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As I said, at the bottom of the hour, we'll bring Dr. Paul Alexander back in here. You can follow him at drpaulalexander.com, also his substack, which is palexander.substack.com. But first, we are going to talk to Dr. Epstein. His new congressional testimony is available at epsteintestimony.com. We're going to hear a little bit about that. Also, his...
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Chapter 2: How does Google manipulate public opinion and elections?
And in March of 2020, when things started to really go crazy, I published an article, I think first in the Epoch Times, proposing a plan, which is now called the CSP, the carrier separation plan, proposing that we just quickly test everyone and then the carriers, they're the ones who go into quarantine for just a few weeks, just the carriers.
That stops the spread if the R0, R0, which Dr. Alexander can tell you about, drops below one very rapidly because you're removing most of the carriers and therefore the the pathogen can't spread. And the task force was quite interested in this and was being taken very seriously. A speech was written for Trump to announce National Testing Day. This was all very serious stuff.
And if that had been put in place and we had mailed out these cheap, somewhat inaccurate testing devices to every household in America, and then Trump had given his speech and he said, Melania is doing, we're all going to test on this day. And on this day, if you test positive, please, you quarantine. If you want to stay private. Just stay private.
But if you need some money for those three weeks or you need a hotel room, then you have to give up your privacy and we'll help you out. The point is, and on that same day, Trump was going to say in this speech, we will reopen society completely, the churches, the schools, the businesses, because what's happened is we've removed most of the carriers. I published a number of articles on this.
I talked about it on Tucker's show and on Glenn Beck. uh was getting a lot of praise and then everything went to hell do you know why because that summer and this might have been anthony fauci whispering in trump's ears who knows but that summer trump got it into his head which doesn't work properly all the time he got it into his head that he could get the vaccine out before the election
Someone put that idea in his head. And based on recently being on Bobby Kennedy's show, I'm reading Kennedy's book about Fauci. It wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't Fauci who put that idea in his head. And July 15th, I get an email from my contact on the task force saying, sorry. We've put aside your plan.
Now, if that plan had been implemented, that would have saved more than 600,000 American lives. And it had the potential, I show this in a peer-reviewed journal that I published in January of 2021. It's at carrierseparationplan.com. They had the potential to completely eradicate the virus without a vaccine, without a vaccine, and without social distancing and lockdowns.
It's a very, very sensible, common, sensible way to deal with this. And Trump, in my opinion, made a very, very bad call because that... That vaccine has very likely caused more trouble than it has solved, if it's solved anything. And it was, it never, we were, you said it, I heard you say it. We were getting these promises. We got to have the vaccine because that'll eliminate the virus. No, no.
And they knew that they knew it would never eliminate the virus, that it would create a permanent market like if they've created for the flu shot. It'll create a permanent market for a multibillion dollar product, period. Now, you asked about big tech's involvement in this. Big tech was part of the problem because big tech was closely aligned with big pharma. Why?
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Chapter 3: What are the consequences of AI in modern society?
Okay, I appreciate it. For you, anything's fine.
That's very kind. But I think Dr. Alexander has some ideas too about what's going on, having been in the belly of the beast a bit. So I appreciate you being... Where do you want people to go? We've got you on X, on Dr. Epstein. Is that Epstein? I beg your pardon. E-S, it's E-P-S-T-E-I-N, D-R-E-P-E-S-T-E-I-N. Pronounce Epstein.
Dr. R. Epstein. There's an R, like D-R, R, Epstein.
There it is, the extra R. That's... There is how my brain works. There's the second R I couldn't see. So yeah, Dr. Ari Epstein. Go there. Anybody else you'd like us to be sending people, speaking of manipulating audiences?
Well, America's Digital Shield, because I'm tremendously proud of that, that we were able, with all of the pressure on us, we were able to successfully build the world's first nationwide monitoring system. So please take a look at that. There's a place there where you can sponsor our field agents, which is, again, we only pay them a token fee, $25 a month, but it adds up.
So we're going to need patriotic Americans involved. tens of thousands on an ongoing basis to sponsor these field agents. We can't take volunteers, we've learned, because if we take volunteers, Google has more than 120,000 outside consultants. Google sends us people and we get bad data. So we have to actually, yeah, we have to go practically door to door finding real voters.
It's labor intensive and expensive and we need people's help to continue our work.
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Chapter 4: What role did Big Tech play during the pandemic?
That is so funny that you ask that because I knew it was just a matter of time before somebody reaches out to me from the new administration. I knew that. And I just got contacted a couple of days ago by someone from the Doge team. So that's so interesting that you predicted that. And I'm trying to figure out what to do here because I have to keep focusing on the scientific work.
and expanding the monitoring system. And I think I need to stay away from the bureaucrats of all sorts.
And I think I need to stay away. They could fund you and give you some manpower to expand your data collection. But then again, you never know. Maybe Google sent them.
As I said, I'm thinking about it. I knew that they would reach out at some point, and they just did. And at the moment, I'm thinking I need to stay away from them. It's easy to get distracted. Yeah.
I have a psychology question for you. Is there something about us in our present moment of history that makes us particularly prone to these hysterias and these manipulations and these mass formations? Do you have a theory about that or do you just stay with the data?
Well, a lot of people have been studying that issue. That's not my main area of study, but a lot of people have been studying that issue. And the fact is that people are easy to manipulate, and we have some very powerful
means of manipulation that are overwhelming, I think, this country right now, and that are unfortunately setting one American against the other, which George Washington, by the way, was very, very scared that that would happen. He was totally opposed to the two-party system. So was John Adams. Thomas Jefferson said, if the only way I could get to heaven would be to join a party, I wouldn't go.
So we have mechanisms in place right now, including a very charismatic president who has a big effect on people, and including these tech companies who, generally speaking, have tried to undo Trump. But now they seem to be shifting over to get in his good graces. And That is really frightening if you think about it.
If the tech companies are working with the administration, then there's no one to regulate or to constrain the tech companies.
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Chapter 5: What is the significance of the monitoring system developed by Dr. Epstein?
Okay. And Dr. Epstein, we'll let you go and I will have you back again soon. And if there's any breakthroughs or is anything you need to get to the people about, please, please call on us and we'll throw you on the air. Okay.
Thank you so much. And Dr. Alexander was an honor to meet you, sir. I hope we have some further contacts. Yes. Thank you very much too. Same.
So Dr. Alexander, let's get back to you. I know we have your, we have camera problems, but I wonder if you have any reaction to what he was saying and sort of It's almost too much, you know, all this is, you know, what you have alerted me to that goes on in the belly of the beast. And now it's the manipulations of our mind. What do we do?
Well, what I mean, look, Dr. Epstein was talking about how you can take care of yourself, etc. And I think that. You know, it's not that, what I mean, I also provide technical support to TWC with people like McCullough and Rish yourself. So I just wanted to full disclosure because I think it's a really good company and some of the products that they produce and the philosophy, et cetera.
So I wanted to say that, TWC.health. But the thing about it is that what he's trying to say, I think, is our...
is is our freedom and our decision making to take care of ourselves personally and we can't look to washington or to a government official or just to even some medical person to really make the decisions for you and your own family because there's so much information there in the internet as is and the general population is so informed a lot of critical thinking too that often when we go to see a doctor
We already read so much and we understand actually what our problem is even more than the clinician. So I think what he's trying to say is, you know, there are a lot of steps. So even from our own world now, our argument is against, is when I say against the shot, first move, using things like nasal oral washes, rinses, you know, to keep the oral cavity, the nasal cavity clean.
clean out of any kind of pathogen, you know, healthy sleeping, eating good diet, high decent protein for immune system and make, and I think this is the thing, make reasonable common sense precaution decisions. So for example, like when we talked about, when we talked about no lockdowns were needed and that we wanted to strongly protect
vulnerable people would always say well okay but tell us what you mean by strongly protect and it always stopped me every time somebody asked me not in a meeting and i say well but it's just common sense you know if your mother is living with you in your home and your mother is elderly we know you know the immune system declines with age if you have a lot of young kids grandkids in the home and stuff
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Chapter 6: How does Dr. Paul Alexander view governmental bureaucracy?
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