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Hate Speech Isn’t Real: Why We DEFEND Horrible Speech Of Our Enemies w/ Robert Shibley (FIRE) + Curtis Houck (Newsbusters) & Jerome Hudson (Breitbart) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 533

20 Sep 2025

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In a controversial post, AG Pam Bondi says “Hate speech that crosses the line into threats of violence is NOT protected by the First Amendment. It’s a crime.” But does “hate” speech even exist under 1A? Laws to silence our foes today will be the same laws our foes use to silence us tomorrow. AG Bondi’s post quickly received a Community Note: “The US Constitution protects most violent speech… The Supreme Court ruled it legal to “justify” or celebrate violence… but not “incitement” to “imminent” violence.” Even commenters from the Right were stunned that an admin official would propose a limit on the free speech of their political enemies: Chuck Garten writes “We must be very careful that our reaction to the Charlie Kirk shooting doesn’t cause us to become the fascists that the left says that we are.” Robert Shibley is Special Counsel for Campus Advocacy at FIRE, the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression. A Duke Law graduate, he served 19 years at FIRE, including six as executive director. He launched litigation initiatives, represented students and faculty, and authored “Twisting Title IX.” Follow at https://x.com/rshibley Curtis Houck is Managing Editor at NewsBusters. With over 10 years at the Media Research Center, he has made more than 600 TV appearances and 1,000 radio appearances. His work has appeared in Fox News, Breitbart, Drudge, The Federalist, and more. Follow at https://x.com/CurtisHouck Jerome Hudson is Entertainment Editor at Breitbart and author of “50 Things They Don’t Want You to Know About Trump.” He covers the intersection of culture, politics, and entertainment. Learn more at https://breitbart.com and follow him at https://x.com/JeromeEHudson 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/sponsors⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠• FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • VSHREDMD – Formulated by Dr. Drew: The Science of Cellular Health + World-Class Training Programs, Premium Content, and 1-1 Training with Certified V Shred Coaches! More at https://drdrew.com/vshredmd • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) and Susan Pinsky (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/firstladyoflov⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠e⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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