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Astral Codex Ten Podcast

You Have Only X Years To Escape Permanent Moon Ownership

23 Jan 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

0.031 - 17.55 Jeremiah

Welcome to the Astral Codex X podcast for the 2nd of January, 2026. Title, You have only X years to escape permanent moon ownership. This is an audio version of Astral Codex X, Scott Alexander's Substack. If you like it, you can subscribe at astralcodex10.substack.com.

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Chapter 2: What does the 'permanent underclass' meme mean?

18.897 - 40.189 Scott Alexander

If you're not familiar with X years to escape the permanent underclass, see The New Yorker here, link in post, or The Lane, Bear, and Trammell slash Dworkish articles that inspired it. The permanent underclass meme isn't being spread by poor people, who are already part of the underclass and generally not worrying too much about its permanence.

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40.97 - 52.768 Scott Alexander

It's preying on neurotic well-off people in Silicon Valley, who fret about how they're just bourgeois well-off rather than future oligarch well-off, and that only the true oligarchs will have a good time after the singularity.

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53.761 - 76.686 Scott Alexander

Between the vast ocean of total annihilation and the vast continent of infinite post-scarity, there is, I admit, a tiny shoreline of possibilities that end in oligarch capture. Even if you end up there, you'll be fine. Dario Amadei has taken the Giving What We Can pledge, number 43 at a link here, to give 10% of his wealth to the less fortunate.

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77.427 - 98.33 Scott Alexander

Your worst-case scenario is owning a terraformed moon in one of his galaxies. Now you can stop worrying about the permanent underclass and focus on more important things. On that tiny shoreline of possible worlds, the ones where the next few years are your last chance to become rich, they're also your last chance to make a mark on the world.

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99.112 - 118.464 Scott Alexander

Proof, if you could change the world, you could find a way to make people pay you to do it, or to not do it, then become rich. And what a chance! The last few years of the human era will be wild. They'll be like classical Greece and Rome, a sudden opening up of new possibilities, where the first people to take them will be remembered for millennia to come.

119.325 - 145.042 Scott Alexander

What a waste of the privilege of living in classical Athens to try to become the richest olive merchant or whatever. Even in Roman times, trying to become Crassus would be, well, crass. In 2014, I wrote, The argument was, suppose humanity ends up occupying millions of galaxies. People will still remember Earth as a special time.

145.803 - 169.625 Scott Alexander

The mountainous mass of future historians will press down upon a tiny speck of current people. There's no reason the colony ships won't contain flash drives of the whole 2026 era internet, so rather than being limited to a few prominent figures, these historians can study the generation around the singularity almost in its entirety. In such a situation, greatness is pathetically easy.

170.446 - 183.016 Scott Alexander

A random woman gave Jesus a washcloth to wipe his face on the way to his crucifixion. She's now known as Saint Veronica, patroness of laundry workers, and one of every 2,500 girls in America is named in her honor.

185.039 - 206.708 Scott Alexander

She has an annual feast day, approximately 1 million beautiful Renaissance paintings, a chapel in Jerusalem, and lesser churches all around the world, including one here in San Francisco. The richest olive merchant in Jerusalem that year is long forgotten, but she endures. Saint Veronica isn't unusual in her charity. Any one of us might lend a rag to a person in need.

Chapter 3: How do Silicon Valley anxieties relate to future wealth?

223.045 - 245.288 Scott Alexander

If you worry about the permanent underclass meme, then you already believe that we're not not at another crucial moment – I'm not asking you to give up your dreams of owning a bigger moon than everyone else in order to chase a tiny chance of becoming the future's equivalent of Jesus. I'm suggesting you give them up in order to offer the future a washcloth and see if it honors your memory.

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246.329 - 254.357 Scott Alexander

You have only X years to escape being permanently boring when the weight of galactic humanity descends to scrutinize your life forever.

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254.675 - 276.784 Scott Alexander

10 million years from now, do you want transhuman intelligences on a Niven ring somewhere in Dario Amadei's supercluster to briefly focus their deific gaze on your legacy and think, yeah, he spent the whole hinge of history making B2B SaaS products because he was afraid of joining the permanent underclass. Now he has a 20% bigger moon than the rest of us.

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277.777 - 298.808 Scott Alexander

Or do you want them to think, she was one of the heroes who arose when the fate of humanity balanced on a knife edge, fought against the thousand forms of entropy that could have ended our paradise before it began, helped create a vision of broad-based prosperity that benefited all humanity... and gets 0.000038501% of the credit for our current happy state.

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299.449 - 320.581 Scott Alexander

We grant her the rank of Forebear, and the Ancestor Veneration and Simulation Collective has built a mega-cathedral to her memory three star systems over. I'm not trying to push you in any direction, honest. If you get everything totally wrong, too bad. But you'll still be remembered forever for trying. Even Pontius Pilate has immortality of a sort.

321.602 - 349.344 Scott Alexander

Both Eliezer Yudkowsky and Beth Jezos have their page in the textbooks assured. If you're a well-off Silicon Valley person, you're already well-placed to join them. So participate in the discourse. Create some art. Donate to a cause you believe in. Make a prediction. Discover something interesting. Have more fun than anyone has ever had before. After all, history remembers Aristippus.

350.606 - 375.368 Scott Alexander

Start a cool group house. After all, history remembers Epicurus. Be extremely hot. History remembers Antinous too. Sell people the lowest quality copper that has ever been sold and live forever as a meme 6,000 years later. But don't waste this amazing opportunity you've been given on a vapid attempt to escape the permanent underclass.

376.883 - 396.818 Scott Alexander

This is an audio version of Astral Codex X, Scott Alexander's Substack. If you like it, you can subscribe at astralcodex10.substack.com. Additionally, if you enjoy my audio versions, you can support my work on Patreon at patreon.com slash sscpodcast. To reference this, please link to the original on Substack. To contact me, use astralcodexpodcast at protonmail.com.

397.319 - 398.942 Scott Alexander

Thanks for listening, and I'll speak to you next time.

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