Aubrey Marcus Podcast
“I Put GOD ON TRIAL For Crimes Against Humanity” | Fr. Seán ÓLaoire #520
04 Feb 2026
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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Namaste, my brother.
Yes. Why does God need to be set free?
Because we have projected our image of our own, our goodness and our evil onto Him. I'm fascinated by the whole notion of projection that Carl Jung spoke about. And it reminds me, when I was a little child going up in Ireland, for the first six years of my life, I lived with my grandparents. And I was the first great-grandchild and the first grandchild.
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Chapter 2: Why does Fr. Seán ÓLaoire believe God needs to be set free?
When I'm cold, somebody cuddles me, you know, according to my needs. And so about the age of seven months, the child suddenly realizes, oh my God, There are two of us and all the powers on the other side. She can leave me. I can't leave her. And so I now develop all these kinds of defense mechanisms to try to level the playing field.
So for some kids, they'll be really cuddly and loving and smiling. So mammy and daddy will love me. Or for others, I'll scream my head off and force them back into the room to take care of me. And so we developed these defense mechanisms very, very early on. So now, you know, we're identified with an ego. And at this stage now, it's about me looking after what my needs are.
And so I'm going to develop my fear will morph into anger at others and selfishness, you know, and rage sometimes. And then I begin to project that onto not just mother and father, but brothers and sisters, and the extended community, and then finally to the world community.
And so at that stage then, we see everybody else as kind of competitors for the little amount of love which is available in the world. I'm going to grab my share and tough luck if you don't get your share. And that scales all the way up, I think, from kind of family kind of interactions, negative family interactions, all the way up, I believe, actually, to cosmological warfare.
I believe, actually, that there are beings out there who are much more advanced technologically than we are. but that they may not be more morally advanced than we are. And so one time I asked for, I see my dreams a lot since, I've been recording my dreams since about 1979. And I see them, so I'll have a thought in my mind before I go to sleep. Here's a question I want an answer to.
And a few years ago, I asked the question, Can you tell me the difference between sin and evil? And the answer I got at four o'clock in the morning was sin is the infraction of a culturally created precept. It's just breaking human law. Whereas evil is a cosmic conspiracy using human intermediaries to separate souls from source.
And so I think that there are energies and entities out there who are technologically advanced, you know, even have great psychological abilities. but who are not advanced spiritually or morally, you know, and they regard Earth as playthings.
And so for me, the results of not realizing that until we start projecting into God, we're not free of our illusions, that scales all the way up to inter-family dynamics, all the way up to the cosmos itself. So the results are literally cosmic warfare.
To step out of this cosmic warfare, I think we have to move beyond this idea of the finitude of love and move into the infinity of love that's available. And I think that's one of the things that's drawn people to Yeshua, is that was an avatar who expressed a universal, infinite love. Like, Jesus loves you. You'll see it graffitied on walls or plastered on church billboards.
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Chapter 3: How does projection affect our understanding of God?
So the third level is kind of compensation for the mistakes of other team members. And the fourth one is confrontation. Somebody is playing really, really selfishly. They want to dribble the ball from one post to post. They won't share with anybody, even though they're surrounded. They won't call a timeout. They want to try and break through. And so they're benched. They're taken offensively.
They're replaced in some way. So for me, then, compassion had these four facets. And we must be able to kind of activate all four, depending on the circumstances in which we find ourselves. So it's a compassionate thing to do to confront evil, you know, but to do it with a loving heart and the recognition that the other person is divine as well. So I would say there are the four levels.
And then there's kind of five facets of compassion. The first one is literally neurological. that we're born with mirror neurons. And the little baby actually develops this by watching the faces of mother and father. They're developing these mirror neurons and they're learning how to behave and emotionally interact with the environment. But there literally are mirror neurons.
And there's some really, I think, horrendous kind of research on this where they take two monkeys and they put electroencephalograms in both of them and they torture one monkey while the other guy is watching.
And they're looking what area of the brain of the person being tortured is being activated by the torture, and what area of the brain of the observer monkey, and it's the same area of the brain. So that's how they discovered mirror neurons, that literally there's a neuronal circuit in my brain that's activated by watching somebody else suffer.
So I would say that's the neurological level of compassion. The next level I think would be psychological. There's an emotional reaction to watching somebody in pain. You know, literally in my heart I can feel for somebody who's suffering. That'll be the second. The third one then for me would be the sociological level of it. Okay, somebody's been diagnosed with cancer.
You know, I'm going to bring around meals for them during the week because they can't cook for themselves. I'm going to take them to their doctor's appointments or whatever. So at the sociological level of it.
And then there's kind of a spiritual level, and that is prayer, that I can beam laserized intentionality at somebody who's suffering, you know, and that this energetic exchange is actually benefiting them. And the fifth level is mystical. And that is that this is God's gig.
When I've done everything I can, neurologically, psychologically, sociologically, and spiritually, now I realize this is God's gig. There's a reason that this person is experiencing what they're experiencing. And every single one of us is meant to harvest every circumstance in our life and to harvest it to develop our particular mission.
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Chapter 4: How does Fr. Seán define the difference between sin and evil?
Don't worry about it. You're not going to run out. And I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Fair, fair, fair. Good point. I was like, but what about malaria? And the mosquitoes were like, Don't talk to us about that. That's a parasite that's in us. You got to go talk to malaria. And then I look over in my astral vision.
Obviously, you can't turn your head to look at something, but I focus my attention, and I see this swirling, chaotic mess that's malaria. Now, from my perspective, it was a mess. Maybe there was a divine order in that. However, I was like, hell no. I'm not talking to malaria. I'm going to leave that one be. So in this idea of parasites,
in the human biosphere or the you know gaia's biosphere there it's a very interesting energy that they're abiding in right so take the parasite toxoplasma gandhi okay they infect mice and then they actually rewire the mice's brains to be attracted to cats yes And then the cats eat the mice. Pass it on to us. Yeah, they do. We can get it too. And then we also have our own issues with it.
We're not necessarily attracted to cats, but we're attracted to danger and there's hypersexuality. There's lots of things that happen. But it completes its life cycle inside the bellies of the cats. But the mice are being controlled by something that is not the mice. The parasites are actually controlling it to their own demise. Yeah.
So if you take that energy and you make that energy an egregore, there is a parasitic energy that even could be generated and seen in the natural order of Gaia herself. Now, if there were many, many planets that had many different structures of life that had developed, there would be a parasitic force that exists. Mm-hmm.
So whether there's primacy to that force that God said, I'm going to create a parasitic force, or whether the parasitic force developed from the evolution of life, I don't know that answer.
But nonetheless, this idea that there's a parasitic egregore that is designed to hijack our own brains and lead us down to our own demise for its own sake, you can apply that to more evolved beings who are just tapped into that kind of energy.
Right.
That's beautiful. I love it. Absolutely love it. And I mean, we're 80%, we're basically taxicabs for bacteria. 80% of the gut is a foreign matter. It doesn't belong to the human at all. So we're taxicabs for them. So it feels to me that in a sense, we volunteer then, the soul volunteers for a three-dimensional incarnation.
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Chapter 5: How does the concept of Christ consciousness play a role in this discussion?
Instead of getting stuck in the individual kind of stages of trying to fix this element of it Can you stand back and say, okay, I volunteered to be here now. I knew exactly what I was coming in for. I knew exactly what my previous track history was in my previous incarnations, what I'm good at, what I'm not good at.
I knew exactly the track history of everybody I'm going to encounter and every situation in which I'm going to find myself. I know exactly what I'm coming in for, but I said, yes, send me anywhere. because I will try to remember that I'm a holographic fractional source. I will try to develop Christ consciousness. I will try to identify the divine in everything I encounter, even the bacteria.
They have a purpose, and part of the purpose is, can you wake up? If I can give you malaria, can you wake up anyway? Can you harvest that situation? And for me, I was lucky enough, yeah, I can harvest that situation and get visions. Give me your best shot. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Yeah, we were talking about, you know, the warrior archetype and talking about some of our own high-level operators on the SEAL teams and different operators. And, you know, there's a very famous speech from a Navy SEAL named Jocko Willink who talks about all of these bad things happening. And after every one, he says, good, good, good, good.
which is this radical idea, this kind of stoic idea that whatever is happening to you is happening for you. And that's, I think, a very key component of this evolution and transcendence is like, how can I use this for my own benefit? And also, how can I let go of what's happening in the past? And I was telling you the funny story.
Repeat that one.
Yeah, I was telling you a funny story. I watched Lone Survivor again recently. And they're in this just crazy firefight with the Taliban in the mountains of Afghanistan. True story of Marcus Luttrell. And the team's getting shot to hell and they're throwing themselves off ravines to try and escape. And they're way outgunned and they got no support. And one of them gets shot.
And he goes, fuck, I've just been shot. And one of the other guys looks over to him and says... Stop living in the past, Danny. And that happened like five seconds ago. Fuck, I'm in shock. Stop living in the past, Danny. And, you know, they've really trained that aspect of themselves. So they've mastered a certain vector. And then they leave the teams and they have their own challenges.
You know, many of them, that life was actually easier. Yeah. than integrating into normal life because things, with their focus that narrowed, it actually allowed them to reach their maximum potential in that archetype.
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Chapter 6: What are the four expressions of compassion mentioned in the episode?
So obviously some level of physical resistance is really important. And the fact that these people, you know, have risked and have paid the cost with their own lives shows me a real, real need, a real strong need in the group and also an extraordinary reserve and a kind of strength in the culture. And certainly, as fellow citizens of the planet, we need to intervene in some way.
I agree with you that this is a global concern at this stage. This is not just individual nations doing their own thing. That's not our business. We're a global community.
And I would agree with you that we're not even just a global community, we're a cosmic community, that there are beings elsewhere as well, and that we're part of that dynamic, and that the way in which we relate to those is important. So the dance then for me is that revolutions tend to be bloody and quick and get results very, very fast and then lead to further revolutions very, very quickly.
Evolution tends to be much slower, but it achieves much more lasting results. But evolution can involve physical resistance. And the question is then what is the balance between physical resistance, which doesn't lead, you know, just to outright violence, and a mindset that figures out, okay, violence works, let's keep doing it.
Let's not keep ourselves in power, the new group, you know, because violence got us here and violence can keep us here. Yeah.
Yeah, and I think we under-index the importance of what happens to the collective consciousness when we actually liberate an Iranian people to actually be participating in their own song. Literally, their national anthem was changed. Yeah, yeah. And they can't even sing their own song for their own country. Their own identity has been overtaken by another identity. And so it's been squashed.
And so what happens, not only for those individual people, but for the whole. And I think this consciousness moving for the sake of the whole, para el bien de todos, for the good of all, I think we under-index how important it is. Same with we under-index how devastating it is when a monk or a group of monks is massacred. You know, what are they doing?
Well, they were just up on the mountain praying. Well, that's a deal for the monks. No, it's not. They were anchoring a consciousness for our noosphere.
Totally.
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