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Chapter 1: What led to Rex Heuermann's arrest in the Long Island Serial Killer case?
He looked very nervous, very, very nervous. And I said to him, so, Mr. Heuermann, I understand that you are confessing to me on these murders. Can you please tell me how many of these women did you kill? He said eight.
Eight? Was there any hesitation when he said eight?
No, he just told me the answer. He said, I wasn't home during all of them.
Were any of them killed in the house?
He said, yes, they were killed in his room downstairs. All except one.
That's Long Island woman Asa Ellerup describing the jailhouse meeting with her husband, Rex Hewerman, in which he admitted to her that he is a serial killer. It's part of a documentary series called Gilgo Beach Killer House of Secrets. This is Australian True Crime International with Michelle Laurie.
In May 2010, 24-year-old Shannon Gilbert disappeared after making a frantic 911 call from Oak Beach on Long Island, telling police someone was trying to kill her.
The search for Shannon led investigators to a remote stretch of coastline near Gilgo Beach, where they instead uncovered the remains of multiple missing women, beginning what would become one of America's most notorious serial killer investigations.
Over the years, the case remained unsolved until 2023, when architect Rex Heuermann was arrested after authorities linked him to the murders through DNA evidence, burner phones and a renewed task force investigation.
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Chapter 2: Who are the victims linked to Rex Heuermann?
Well, it's interesting you make that point. Firstly, I want to also say that the house was a gift to the media, the actual physical structure of the house, because it looks like a creepy house out of a movie, a horror movie, right? I mean, it's in a really nice neighborhood. And then right in the
Little house that I heard someone else describe as looking like something out of Hoarders, which it does, physically falling apart. Again, weirdly, Rex Hewman's childhood home, he grew up in this house, kept the house, and as an architect chose never to do anything to it apart from this famous bathroom renovation.
So that was, I think, part of the frenzy and part of the image of ASA as being weird. But... In saying that you think that maybe she was a bit checked out and maybe didn't notice things, there is now a civil suit against Asa and her children that's been launched by one of the victim's sons, Valerie Mack's son.
And I believe one of the accusations is willful ignorance, is suggesting that they deliberately didn't ask questions that they knew they didn't want to know the answers to. I mean, I think maybe, and granted, I don't know Asa. Maybe she did know something. I mean, this is just my hot take, but I don't,
maybe she suspected he was you know had had extramarital affairs you know maybe it was something like that and like I've known of women that just kind of you know they're taken care of they've been married for a long time she had breast cancer she was doing other things you know she had bigger fish to fry and I think you know at some point you know maybe she just was like look
I got stuff going on over here. What am I going to do? Leave him? I have no means of income. I have cancer. You know, so whatever he does, he can do. And yeah, it was weird that he didn't go on vacation with them. It was weird that he had a room in the basement that they weren't allowed to go into. Yeah. It was weird that he has 200-some-odd firearms in the house.
All of these things are strange to the outsider, but I imagine that over time you just kind of become desensitized when you live with somebody like this and it just becomes normal.
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Chapter 3: What insights does Shannon McGarvey provide about Asa Ellerup?
But I have to say, I don't find any of those things weird, apart from the firearms. But then, no offense, that just sounds American to me. American and Trumpian. Right. Because he's a Trump supporter as well. Okay. And a man of his age, his generation, his demographic, all of that stuff, that didn't shock me. The other thing I don't find weird is dad's room, dad's space, man cave. Yeah.
To me, that is very, very normal. And growing up, most of the dads I knew had a space in the house, whether it was the garage or... a room, a spare room or something that we were, we knew you don't go in there. It's dad's room. It's his stuff. But was your dad's room like, you know, soundproof and like bulletproof?
Chapter 4: How did the investigation into the Long Island Serial Killer evolve over the years?
With a big metal door, yeah. This was like a metal vault that they literally had to lower into the... It was like a steel vault that they had to lower into the basement. It was separate. How do you say? It was like something that he had ordered. You had to have a crew come in and install it into your basement. And it was separate from the rest of the basement as well. So that is a totally...
That's like, I'm all for somebody to have a man cave, you know, have your den, you know, have a shed in the back. We also call them she sheds here, you know, like for women. But have your she shed. But ain't nobody got a bulletproof, soundproof she shed. I mean, like, that's a little excessive. It is. But again, fundamentally, who is thinking their husband's a serial killer?
And I think that nobody... ever thought it was as deviant and dark as it was including his daughter i mean his daughter even worked with him in um in manhattan so asa talks about him as if you know she she called him i believe like her knight in shining armor you know like she was her hero and i think She just wanted to live in that space.
Like she didn't want to know because she couldn't afford to know spiritually, financially, you know, physically. Like if she knew, then she would have to do something about it.
Chapter 5: What role did Shannon Gilbert's disappearance play in uncovering the case?
She'd be forced to then confront it and be like, wow, do I want to stay? Do I want to leave? And she couldn't financially leave. She was bound to him. That's what I think was going on. I don't think she knew anything. about these women. I don't think that she was complicit in their death. I think she was, like we had said, just willfully ignorant.
The other thing that Valerie Mack's son is, well, at least alluding to in his civil suit, is that she's made a lot of money from media since this story broke. And I'm assuming your documentary is considered to be part of that. Oh, it was the primary source of that income. Yeah, I think that a lot of that... went to a lot of different places. Like, I don't think she got all of the money.
I think that she had to pay her lawyer and she had to, you know, pay legal fees and it just went kind of everywhere. And I don't begrudge her because I agree with what you've been saying. She's now a single mother who can never work again for the rest of her life. Her kids can probably never work again for the rest of their life because of the notoriety of this case.
However, I'm not the child of a victim. So I can see how the victim's families are thinking, She should get nothing. They should get nothing. They're being rewarded. Yeah.
I can see both sides and I don't, and that's where I want to be really careful because it's a tough line to hold because you can say, you can hold both at once and you can say, okay, she was this and, you know, she deserves to live a life and, you know, She has to support herself and she'll never be able to work again.
And her daughter's name, I mean, like her daughter was 14 years old or younger when these crimes were committed. And you had people after, you know, Rex Heuermann was taken into custody speculating that she was guilty.
an accomplice yeah the 14 year old daughter you know and then talking about her sexual preferences and all of these things it was just totally inappropriate dragging her through the mud well they were speculating that she was involved and there was also speculation that she was victimized by him that he had molested her and so all of that for a child for the world to be discussing
is devastating. And one of the most moving parts of the documentary is her time spent with Dennis Rader's daughter, Dennis Rader, known as BTK. This is another young woman who discovered that her father was a notorious serial killer, a father that she loved, that she spent time with, and she thought she came from a very normal family. That seemed to help to me.
It seemed to help both women, actually. But did you think that was helpful for Rex's daughter? Absolutely. I mean, she's been there and done that. He was a very high profile local dad. similar, you know, just a monster, monster among us type of person. Yeah, absolutely.
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Chapter 6: What impact did Rex Heuermann's family experience after his arrest?
Amber had been married before. She was a born-again Christian. She had had a whole life prior to this life that she found herself in, in Babylon, which is a community on the south shore of Long Island. So she She had come out there at the behest of her sister and had been living with Dave Schottler and I believe maybe dating Bear.
So yeah, they were taking in calls in their house to fuel their addiction. And yeah, when we spoke to Dave, he was still in the throes of addiction and he was... bereft. I mean, totally taken by guilt, overcome by guilt, said several times, I shouldn't have let her do that. What were we thinking? I remember that night, I almost saw the truck. I couldn't quite make it out.
And I remember we were showing pictures of him showing pictures of the possible trucks and suspects to him. And he, in this interview, appeared to be under the influence of a highly sedative substance and was kind of in a stupor. And when we showed him this one truck, he perked up and he was like, what is that? That's the truck. So I found it interesting when...
it came out that it was a Chevy Avalanche and that a witness had identified that. And I instantly knew, I knew it was Dave Schaller because he had told us, right? I think it's absolutely possible that law enforcement dismissed his claims. I also think it's possible that they didn't
really follow up or talk to him much at all, because you have to understand during this time, there was a confluence of events happening in the Suffolk County Police Department. We had a sort of changing of the guards of sorts when all of this started happening. So when the Gilgafor are discovered, you know, there is one police chief. And then a few months later, there's another one.
And when the other one comes in, when the new guard comes in, everything is shaken up. And the new guard is headed up by a man named James Burke. And he was just about as crooked as they come, honestly. And I think that, you know, during this time, you don't
You know, if you're dealing, you know, if you have a sordid past, if you're dealing in crooked activities, you know, you don't really want the feds coming in and investigating a serial killer case. Well, that's right. The point has been made many times since that, that the FBI have specialized agents and units to deal with serial killers.
And yet they were never allowed near this case for many, many years. And that's specifically down to James Burke, is it not? The police chief. Yes. Yes. And the DA at the time. Yeah. Yeah. Again, it's hard to believe, though, that they could have that much power. It's hard to believe that someone, the FBI perhaps, couldn't say too bad. This is our jam. This is what we do. So we're coming.
But they were able to keep them at arm's length, keep them away. If we can go back to Dave for a minute, I just wanted to say I can't imagine how one recovers from an addiction after living through this. I mean, you know, again, to go back to the effect on the family and friends, it doesn't surprise me that some of them continue to struggle with addiction issues and many other issues.
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Chapter 7: How does the podcast discuss the societal implications of the victims' backgrounds?
So, He probably just felt like it got too hot, you know, and like wasn't going to do it again. But yeah, I admire her strength. I can't even begin to imagine what she has had to deal with and lives with every single day. You know, I've had a person close to me who was murdered and it's haunting. And I can't imagine adding that strength
layer of just like the the murderer contacting you and taunting you and telling you details about your loved one's death that they committed i mean it's just it's sick the fear that he's coming for me you know absolutely again we're talking about a teenage a child who knows they've been in contact with this person and and she talks about that for years looking over her shoulder thinking
Is he coming for me? This is all part of it, I'm assuming, from his perspective. You know, we'll never know because by the grace of God, our brains don't work the way his does. But as part of the plea deal that he's done, he has agreed to submit himself to analysis, right, by the behavioral analysis unit at the FBI, most commonly known as the profiling unit.
Yeah.
Why? Why do you think that? And do you think we're dealing with a guy here, I'm thinking about a Ted Bundy or again, a BTK, someone who wants to, who's kind of proud of what they've achieved and wants to talk about it? Well, when law enforcement collected evidence from his home, they found that book Mindhunter, which was, I can't remember the author's name, but... John Douglas.
It's the, yeah, so it's the classic. And then there was the TV series about it. I was thinking that. Yeah, he fetishized all of that, that behavioral analysis. And he used it as sort of like a textbook, you know? What did he say?
He said, I think Rex Heuermann described it as like the artist in the painting or something like it was like, you can't study the artist, you have to study the technique, which is disgusting. I mean, he's talking about, you know, I think he fancies himself as some sort of maniacal artist or something like that, you know? And a genius. They always think they
genius yes absolutely and um which he's not uh he's sick and he's a deviant um he's not a genius and the only reason he got away with it for so long is because the suffolk county police department was so inept and the fbi was kept at arm's length because and again if there's any you know potential killer out there or whatever listening it's like you're not a genius
You know, it's just the only reason this guy even got away with it is because of all those factors. It was just luck. It was dumb luck. And that's my fear with this whole, you know, behavioral analysis, you know, is like, wow, you are really playing in to this idea of this man being a genius and And so now you're going to study him.
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Chapter 8: What future developments are expected in the Long Island Serial Killer case?
Some people think that he was just, you know, because of all the technology and all the, you know, the rise of the internet or whatever, that, you know, he could just sort of satiate himself by reading about it online, you know, the notoriety, listening to these things. He got off in a different way.
So it wasn't so much about the killing anymore, but like the fetishizing and like the reading about himself and all that. But I find that I also find that hard to believe.
And then some people said that the reason why he was apprehended the way he was because they kind of just descended on him all at once or seemingly all at once is because he was gearing up to kill someone again, you know, or there were signs that he was going to strike again. I don't know that that's true, but there were some people that were saying that when he was apprehended in 2023.
You've reminded me of Dennis Rader, BTK, saying that he had to take a break for a few years because life got so busy with the kids, which is the most mundane excuse we give each other for not calling or not hanging out with old friends and things like that and losing track of hobbies, not going to the gym.
But it just reminded me, you know, life does get busy when you've got kids and stuff like that. It's possible that that at least changed his habits and the household habits. Well, it's interesting, too, because before he was apprehended, you know, when we were still speculating on, like... you know, one killer or two killers? And, you know, like, is it possible that killers can change their MO?
And it is possible. And they do. And, you know, they adapt and they change and they move places, you know? So, That's why people have speculated that maybe he, you know, he owns property in South Carolina. Maybe there was, you know, some crimes connected to him down there. You know, something about Las Vegas. You know, there was a trip out to Las Vegas. So it's all speculation at this point.
And I just hope that while he's incarcerated, after the sentence, the sentencing takes place, you know, what often happens is like, you know, law enforcement can kind of bribe of these killers to confess to more and more and more. And I hope because he has nothing, literally like nothing left to lose outside of his life, he's going to be in jail for the rest of his life.
And he's going to be in solitary confinement for a lot of time, certainly initially, right? So he's going to lose even access to conversation, to any kind of stimulus like that. Once the trial is over, he loses his access to even his own files and things, I believe. So Yeah, that seems to work sometimes, doesn't it?
Just the promise of having police to come in and talk to, just to keep them interested to come and visit. Oh, yeah. I mean, I have a homicide detective that, you know, we often spoke to and he would tell me about another killer who... They would take out bowling, you know, like give him wine in an effort to get him to confess or tell them where he buried some of his victims.
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