In this episode of Ayahuasca Podcast, host Sam Believ (founder of www.lawayra.com) has a conversation with , founder of . Based in Colombia, Danielle has spent over a decade working closely with Indigenous communities to produce ethically sourced, high-quality ceremonial cacao. Her work bridges traditional knowledge, sustainability, and modern processing while supporting local farmers and regenerative practices. We touch upon topics of: Danielle’s first Aya experiences and how they led her to cacao (02:00–05:30) Building Origin Cacao with Indigenous communities in Colombia (06:00–11:00) Cacao as a daily connection practice vs ceremonial use (13:00–20:30) Cacao as an integration tool after Aya ceremonies (21:00–26:30) Ethics, sourcing, and avoiding exploitative cacao industries (29:00–32:30) Fermentation, roasting, and why “raw cacao” is a myth (55:00–58:30) Replacing coca crops with cacao and Colombia’s agricultural future (38:30–44:30) If you would like to attend one of our Ayahuasca retreats go to www.lawayra.com Find more about Danielle de Kisere and her work at origencacao.com and on Instagram @origencacao.

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