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Where Do We Go From Here? | Michael Nadeau

03 Feb 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

3.929 - 10.882 Ryan

Bankless Nation, the big question everyone is asking is where in the heck do we go from here? It's not looking great out there. Crypto is down.

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Chapter 2: What changes occurred after Bitcoin broke below $80K?

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Everything else is up. What is happening in this cycle? How long will the pain last? We've got Michael Nadeau on the episode. You guys know we've been doing these episodes on a monthly basis or so, trying to dig into the cycle fundamentals. I want to find out what Mike's forecast for the rest of the year is. Also, there is a new Fed share. His name is Kevin Warsh. How does this change things?

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And stay tuned till the end where, Mike, I'm going to ask you for your entry price predictions. I know you're not a buyer yet, but you're going to be for Bitcoin, ETH, and Solana.

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Chapter 3: Why does Michael Nadeau believe this is not the macro low yet?

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Michael Nadeau, is this it? Is this the blood in the streets we've been waiting for?

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49.829 - 78.612 Michael Nadeau

That's a big question, I think, out there right now. We recorded an episode last week, and I said that we were sort of in no man's land, right? Trading below support around 93K or so, above like critical support at that 80K line. And last Friday, we ended up breaking down from 80 and we've dropped about 15% or so from 90K last week. And I think that's the big question.

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78.672 - 102.799 Michael Nadeau

There is some blood in the streets. Where my head is at in terms of where we are in the cycle, where the markets are at is that Up until last week, I think if you had a bull thesis, you could still sort of hold on to that. And I think the bulls still were willing to say that the market could reverse and the momentum could reverse.

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I think now going into this week, there's probably less bulls out there and there's probably more...

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Chapter 4: How does the incoming Fed chair Kevin Warsh impact the market?

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acceptance in the market that this is playing out how crypto bear markets typically do play out. And so I think that's where we're at. So I'm not ready to say we're hitting a macro low for the cycle just yet. When we do go there, you know, I expect that it will take some time, right?

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I don't think once you go to a macro low, it's not like there's all these buyers that are just ready and then it just takes off, you know, once you hit that low. So in the last cycle, we had three to four months of... period where Bitcoin was actually trading below its realized value. So on the MBRB of less than one, we are still at like 1.4 today.

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And so, and even in going back to the cycle before that, you also have like a three to six month period where, you know, you get these really fantastic entry opportunities. So I think we made a lot of progress just, you know, the last week or so of kind of like where are we at? And I think the market's starting to accept, you know, a lot of this.

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But I'm not ready to say that this is like a macro low.

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Chapter 5: What are the labor market concerns influencing the crypto cycle?

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Just, yeah, we can kind of get into that, I think, in this episode.

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178.76 - 182.466 Ryan

All right. Well, there's blood in the streets, but maybe not enough blood for Mike yet.

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Chapter 6: How is wealth destruction affecting the current market phase?

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He's not yet a buyer. We'll find out where he is a buyer. But we're certainly no longer in no man's land. We are somewhere... Else we are maybe in one of the seven layers of hell right now of the bear market. And that's what people are feeling on the week. So let's get into all of that and more. But before we do want to thank our friends over at Kraken because they just dropped something cool.

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You can make yield at any time, whether you're in a bull market or a bear market. The product is called DeFi Earn. So this is the easy button for DeFi. It brings on-chain rewards right into the Kraken app that you're already using. You don't need a new wallet.

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Chapter 7: What long-term market projections does Nadeau foresee?

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There's no seed phrase, no manual transactions. You guys know on Bankless, we talk about the DeFi mullet quite a lot. This is Kraken's DeFi mullet because they're using DeFi and a set of vaults

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Chapter 8: How does Bitcoin's performance compare to stocks?

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in a protocol strategy behind the wallet. This is all administered by VEDA. There's rewards for this as well. So you want to check that out. And the yield is variable, but it's up to 8% right now, 8% APY. That, of course, is not guaranteed. It does fluctuate, but some fairly fantastic rates. So this is DeFi yield without the headaches.

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If you want to go check this out, there's a link in the show notes. You can find that at bankless.cc slash Kraken. Okay, let's get to the prices on the week. We are at 78K on Bitcoin at the time of recording. So this is not feeling great. On the month, that's about 12% down. Ether down about 23% on the month. Mike?

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I give you a shout out on Twitter earlier this week because you've actually been calling for these numbers for quite some time, at least since the end of October, when you made some moves with the DeFi report. And I called you the most correct cycle caller that I'm following closely. And that is true. You've been talking about Bitcoin at $65K. since the end of October.

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And I want to recap for folks that maybe have missed some of our previous episodes on Bankless. So the end of October, you pivoted to cash. Actually, you pivoted right before the 10-10 event into a majority of cash. And then you further pivoted later into October.

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And you did this because you saw some things, you call them cycle fundamentals or cyclamentals, that were signals to you that the cycle, the bull cycle was over. What was the main thing you saw back in October that caused you to pivot to cash?

337.948 - 365.807 Michael Nadeau

Yeah, I appreciate the shout out, Ryan. And yeah, I think if I go back to sort of September, October period, we were kind of coming out of a period where we had sort of a debt season and risk on what was in the market. We didn't peak on euphoric, like a real euphoric period like we did in 2021. But it was a risk on environment in terms of you had that season.

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So you had lots of new treasury companies buying Bitcoin, putting that on their balance sheet. You had the same thing happening with lots of companies doing the same with Ether. We even saw like a longer tail of altcoins. And I think what happened was

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If you have a price agnostic buyer coming into the market like that, what it does is it gives traders and people that are putting leverage into the market sort of a free pass to do that when they know somebody's in the market bidding up the tokens. And so we did have a pretty big move in a lot of altcoins. That was the period that ETH did really well.

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And then Bitcoin ultimately got up to about 125K or so. And the reason I started to get nervous was just that the amount of leverage that we were seeing built in the market. And at the same time, you're developing what I view as a little lopsided market structure. We have all this new money that came in over the last year. You have long-term holders and sort of like...

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